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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Not really. It remains fairly meaningless.
Not really. It remains fairly meaningless.
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0.01I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That was a response to his assertion that American history is implicitly WASP history.Comment
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You said "further" which led me to believe that you werent sure about even 1940s Alabama. given how well known the one drop rule is to anyone conversant with the racial history of the United States, I was surprised, and thought a clear reassertion of a basic and important aspect of US racial history needed to be reasserted.Originally posted by Arrian
LotM,
Since you decided to pounce on my post and declare that Kid is right, let me give you the context:
He asserted that having one drop of blood made you black in the past in the USA - true. He went on to assert that it's still true. My response was specific to that second assertion, which in my experience is not the case. YMMV.
-Arrian"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Used to be before black history.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
That was a response to his assertion that American history is implicitly WASP history.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
That was a response to his assertion that American history is implicitly WASP history.
it depends, obviously. Certainly mainstream US history, focused on the State, notes the contributions of Jack Kennedy, Henry Kissinger, etc, etc, and so isnt WASP history.
If what Kid meant (Im not sure) was that traditionally mainstream American history focused on the views and reactions and activies of a narrow elite (far from all the WASP males, for that matter) and that fields like black history and womens history served as a corrective, hes at least in part correct. Whether they were necessary as formally organized academic departments is more arguable, given that, for example, we've seen in recent decaddes new focus on the historical roles of poor whites, without the benefit of "Depts of poor white studies"."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I'm glad you're no longer a teacher if that is the limits of your understandings of history.Originally posted by Kidicious
You have to have womens history, black history etc.. otherwise American history = WASP history.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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You're the ignorant one.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm glad you're no longer a teacher if that is the limits of your understandings of history.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett KavanaughComment
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The real answer is likely upper Egypt was mostly black and lower Egypt was mostly mid-eastern/European and there was a gradual shift in demographics as one went north or south.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Now that you're down to the rubber/glue taunts. I can only guess which grade school retort will show up next.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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im vaguely of the impression that the entire nile valley was settled by folks who fled the dessication of the Sahara in about 5000 BCE, so theyd all be black. Lower E would be lighter only cause of the (relatively modest) impact of later invasions, such as the Hyksos.Originally posted by Oerdin
The real answer is likely upper Egypt was mostly black and lower Egypt was mostly mid-eastern/European and there was a gradual shift in demographics as one went north or south."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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You misread me, then. "Further" in that case was about the impact of being considered black nowadays vs the impact of being considered back in 1940s Alabama. I'm not claiming that everything is perfect now and all that nasty racism stuff is all betta. I'm saying it's come a long way, and 2007 ain't 1940. To circle back to the original topic a bit, the professor Kid linked to seems to be fighting a battle that goes back to (at least) 1940.Originally posted by lord of the mark
You said "further" which led me to believe that you werent sure about even 1940s Alabama. given how well known the one drop rule is to anyone conversant with the racial history of the United States, I was surprised, and thought a clear reassertion of a basic and important aspect of US racial history needed to be reasserted.
And I think he's stretching some things just a tad to fight that battle (the claim that ancient egyptians were, originally, "100% black folks").
It's reasonable to assume they were at the very least brown.
But it's awfully hard to know for sure. I've no problem with poking holes in archaic white supremist history that claims ancient Egypt as white and denegrates black people as lesser types who never had a great civilization. That's all well and good. 
I just don't see that there is enough evidence to confidently assert that we know that the ancient egyptians were originally all "black."
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Why would the peoples of the Sahara be black?im vaguely of the impression that the entire nile valley was settled by folks who fled the dessication of the Sahara in about 5000 BCE, so theyd all be black. Lower E would be lighter only cause of the (relatively modest) impact of later invasions, such as the Hyksos."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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If Im a little black kid, searching the history books for great ancient civilizations run by folks who "look like me" and the ancient egyptians are like, 70% black african, and 30% everything else, and im part of a typical american black community, where on average, folks look, well, 70% black african, and 30%, white, well by jove, ive found a civilization run by folks who look like me, even if I personally amd 100% black, or whatever. Doesnt really matter to me that Tiger Woods now calls himself cablinasian, and all the fancy white folks he plays golf with accept that, even though 60 years ago they would have called him a model negro. The social entities created by the one drop rule are still around, even if the rule itself is dead.Originally posted by Arrian
You misread me, then. "Further" in that case was about the impact of being considered black nowadays vs the impact of being considered back in 1940s Alabama. I'm not claiming that everything is perfect now and all that nasty racism stuff is all betta. I'm saying it's come a long way, and 2007 ain't 1940. To circle back to the original topic a bit, the professor Kid linked to seems to be fighting a battle that goes back to (at least) 1940.
And I think he's stretching some things just a tad to fight that battle (the claim that ancient egyptians were, originally, "100% black folks").
-Arrian"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Why would the people's of the Sahara be black?
something about needing melanin for protection, I guess?
What colar are other lowland people at that latitude?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Sort of like the people of th ME deserts?something about needing melanin for protection, I guess?
Lets follow the equator around the world, and count where it intercepts land and we find original black cultures. One.What colar are other lowland people at that latitude?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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