Every advance in the history of the world is a result of black people

[Arrian]

Because obviously without any Irish historical achievements I am not able to connect.

Shutup and go drink some whiskey. Bloody Irish

-Arrian, English oppressor descendant

[Patroklos]

Did you eat our babies?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian




You know what? If you want to believe that ancient Egyptians are your ancestors, go right ahead.

Just dont start asking me to return any spoils.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Ah, I get it now. I disputed that in US grade school, Egyptian history is taught as "the history of blacks" which is what Kid said.

I told VJ not to worry, that it wasn't like that. In fact, of course, I meant it wasn't like that when I went to school in the 80s and early 90s.

What I left unsaid is that it was taught as ancient history, and there was no racial element to it. This apparently made Kid think that I was saying Egyptians were white or something.

-Arrian

Well, actually I think it's not really taught to the students as if it's black history. That might have caused some confusion. To clarify, it's given more emphasis in the curriculum for black students. I don't know if that's any clearer. The students can come to their own conclussions, although I suppose it depends on the teacher.

[Patroklos]

Just dont start asking me to return any spoils.

Hah, well that is the thing. These people have an agenda, it is not just some feel good thing where they hold hands in circles and bask in their greatness.

Next step, reparations.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Did you eat our babies?

No need. Just keep the whiskey flowing



-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian


You know what? If you want to believe that ancient Egyptians are your ancestors, go right ahead. You're most likely wrong (not b/c they weren't black, but for other reasons), but hey, it's a free country.

-Arrian

Good enough, but I think it's fairly reasonable for black people to come to the conclussion that Egyptians shared a genetic similarity.

Personally, for myself, I could really care less about such things. I'm a mut and don't really care about any of the races in me.

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Just dont start asking me to return any spoils.

Why? it is the egyptians who used jews as slaves

[Patroklos]

To clarify, it's given more emphasis in the curriculum for black students.

Peanut Butter < Steam Engine.

What did they take out to include more of Egypt?

[Arrian]

Well, actually I think it's not really taught to the students as if it's black history. That might have caused some confusion. To clarify, it's given more emphasis in the curriculum for black students. I don't know if that's any clearer

It does make it a bit clearer.

I see good intentions, but I'm a tad concerned about tailoring curriculums around race. I thought the idea was to move past race. This just seems to be reinforcing it.

Wouldn't it be better to have the whole student body learn about ancient egypt, and then have the whole student body learn about how History can be distorted by people with agendas, and use as an example the "black people never created anything" distortion?

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Hah, well that is the thing. These people have an agenda, it is not just some feel good thing where they hold hands in circles and bask in their greatness.

Next step, reparations.

Not all of them. Just because you think Egyptians were mostly black doesn't mean you are a black militant or even believe in reparations. Most blacks I think believe in reparations though. I mean who wouldn't. A lot of white people believe in free money too.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Next step, reparations.

From the Arabs?

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Peanut Butter < Steam Engine.

What did they take out to include more of Egypt?

Caucasion history. At least some of it.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Not all of them. Just because you think Egyptians were mostly black doesn't mean you are a black militant or even believe in reparations. Most blacks I think believe in reparations though. I mean who wouldn't. A lot of white people believe in free money too.

different reperations dude.

Rameses: [singing] You who I called brother. How could you have come to hate me so? Is this what you wanted?
Chorus: [singing] I send the swarm, I send the hoard
Rameses: [singing] Then let my heart be hardened and nevermind how high the cost may grow. This will still be so. I will never let your people *go*.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

im vaguely of the impression that the entire nile valley was settled by folks who fled the dessication of the Sahara in about 5000 BCE, so theyd all be black. Lower E would be lighter only cause of the (relatively modest) impact of later invasions, such as the Hyksos.

That's possible though the models I saw of desertification showed that the Sahara started in the middle and then radiated outwards from their due to both climate change and human activity (over grazing, farming, etc...). In a very short time the Sahara becomes almost unpassible via the North-South axis except along the Nile and even there rapids make it impossible for boats to pass beyond the Cataracts (the southern most part of modern Egypt).

We know there was a lot of human movement between the near east and Egypt. Farming might have independently arose in Egypt or it might have been an import (Mesopotamia is so close after all) but we do know metal working and other advances came from the mid-east. Likely there was a lot of trade, conquest, and just plain movement of people so it seems very possible that the ancient people of Egypt looked a lot like the modern people of Egypt. That is mostly mid-eastern. Later on the Canaanite, Greek, Roman, and Arab invasions would have brought lots more foreigner in but it seems fair that the invaders would be outnumbered by the natives. I doubt the ethnic composition has changed radically and that most ancient Egyptians were probably olive skinned mid-easterns just like their modern descendants. The exeption seems to be upper Egypt which, being closer to Sudan, had a larger proportion of blacks and indeed Upper Egypt did indeed have several black rulers in the middle Kingdom period. One of those rulers of lower Egypt (basically upper Sudan) even ended up conquering lower Egypt during a civil war. Most of Egyptian history though comes from the fertile lower part of the country were most of the ancient monuments and best farmland is located.