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I'm not advocating anything, I'm pointing out Dan's blatant hypocrisy and whining. The US built their GPS network solely with state funds. The EU tries a different approach, involving the private sector on a commercial base, and that gets called a scam. Maybe it was meant to fail but it's worth the try.
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Is it that PPP-projects are alien to the US and Dan can't wrap his head around the concept?DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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I feel that I must correct you. GPS has always been primarily a defense system. It was made available as a public good because the defensive nature became more broadly understood -- e.g., commercial airliners of all nationalities need to stay within national boundaries if international incidents are to be avoided. Over time, an organic GPS devices market has sprung up. The government has little to do with this market, and European companies are very weak in it.
European big business wanted a large piece of the action and thought they could convince the EU to legislate Galileo into a must-use system. In turn, European big business said that they would pay for the system. A dramatically low-ball cost was stated. That is, until the consortium determined that it could get the EU taxpayers to pay for it. The new low-ball cost is now public (it's not the real cost) and it's all on the EU taxpayer dime.
To be blunt, there's very little commercial about Galileo (unless you consider state-sponsored fleecing of taxpayers and consumers to be commercial). In the meantime, the EU taxpayer and consumer will be subsidizing competitors in the GPS devices market. That's no good.Last edited by DanS; May 12, 2007, 14:09.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Not really, but you're not far off from the real problemOriginally posted by Kuciwalker
Europe has a small penis.
Attached FilesThe enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.Comment
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Dan, hold on there. First you say the project was cooked up by the state to scam big business and then you say it was about big business scamming the state.
I think you're just pissed because they barked on the US' shins.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Where did I say that? You are misunderstanding many things about this issue, apparently.First you say the project was cooked up by the state to scam big businessI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
A majority of the rationale used to justify the system was that industry would find it useful and would happily pay for it. But apparently, industry does not find it useful enough to pay for it.
It's a classic bait and switch, Colon.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Apparently, your understanding of English differs from mine substantially. The bait and switch was perpetrated on the EU taxpayer and consumer -- you.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I note you didn't react to my "I think you're just pissed because they barked on the US' shins." comment. It's your Schröder-complex all over again.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Apparently you feel attempting a PPP construction is scamming.Originally posted by DanS
Apparently, your understanding of English differs from mine substantially. The bait and switch was perpetrated on the EU taxpayer and consumer -- you.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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It didn't deserve a response. I am taking the high road.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Don't know about other PPPs, but Galileo certainly is a scam.Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
Apparently you feel attempting a PPP construction is scamming.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It's just a PPP that went wrong. Apparently you feel that if the EU had set it up as a fully stated funded defence project, it all would have been a-okay.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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That would have been a waste too.Comment
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And without the implicit intention of barking the US' shins, of course.Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
It's just a PPP that went wrong. Apparently you feel that if the EU had set it up as a fully stated funded defence project, it all would have been a-okay.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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