Galileo at the trough of EU taxpayer money

[Thorgal]

Originally posted by Patroklos


I said Europe was the main cause of terrorism? Are your reading the same thread as the rest of us?

What I did was give several reasons Europe is a contributer to the false rational of terrorists. You, my obtuse friend, are the one placing terrorism on a single alter.

My totally brainwashed and ignorant internet sailor, terrorism has always a cause even if you cant see it. Dont be so innocent. It is comprehensible that, having in mind your background, you have not a clue about that terrorism is, Hollywood movies about dumb and crazy terrorists are not a good source of information.

No, you said that, I said something that amounts to culture clash. I also mentioned your economic exploitation and leftover colonial messes.

Though if they don't blame you at all, why do they bomb you?

Maybe becuse thanks to you they see western world as a menace? having in mind that current islamic terrorism is a very recent phenomenon it makes a lot of sense... But sense is not you better quality since you think that a supposedly economical exploitation by European powers in colonialist times is a main cause of current terrorism... I wonder then why there is not southamerican terrorist planting bombs in Spain... At least you will agree what current US support to Israel, invasions, massacress and so are muuuch more important causes...

[Patroklos]

terrorism has always a cause even if you cant see it...

You just quoted me giving at least three reasons.

No, you said that, I said something that amounts to culture clash. I also mentioned your economic exploitation and leftover colonial messes.

1. 2. 3.

Are you ****ing retarded?

Maybe becuse thanks to you they see western world as a menace? having in mind that current islamic terrorism is a very recent phenomenon it makes a lot of sense...

What continent uses most of the ME's oil again? And if by new you mean two decades old then yes, newborn. So let me get this straight, terrorism in the modern world is all America's fault? False, but lets back up. How does this add units to Europe's foundering fleets? Or make Galileo not a useless duplicate project?

But sense is not you better quality since you think that a supposedly economical exploitation by European powers in colonialist times is a main cause of current terrorism...

Yep, the arbitrary splitting of ethnic/religious groups into non homogenous countries then turned over to oppresvie and illegitimate governments did wonders for the region. None of our problems today are even slightly related to unresponsive monarchies or incompatible religious groups. I mean, it was America that created Israel, right?

Did I say America was not a rational islamic terrorists use for their hobbies? I...don't....remember saying that. I am reviewing the thread and don't see it, why don't you point it out for me sport

[Thorgal]

You just quoted me giving at least three reasons.

quote:
No, you said that, I said something that amounts to culture clash. I also mentioned your economic exploitation and leftover colonial messes.


1. 2. 3.

Are you ****ing retarded?

Insulting is not another of your bstrong points, dont lose time with it.

Lets see... that you did was to avoid the MAIN, and i would say the only reason for modern terrorism leaving the terrorists without any real reason but with some vague resentiment about colonial times, pathetic. Terrorism doesnt work that way. Terrorism is about problems here and now. A guy doesnt blow himself becuse 100 years ago his country was part of a colonial empire but becuse he feels "his comunity" somewhat agreded NOW.

What continent uses most of the ME's oil again? And if by new you mean two decades old then yes, newborn. So let me get this straight, terrorism in the modern world is all America's fault? False

True. Or at leat 99.99% with a 0.01% of error.

How does this add units to Europe's foundering fleets? Or make Galileo not a useless duplicate project?

Yeah, we all know it is off-topic thanks, as was your booooring and obsessive disertations about USS ships but that doesnt make USA any less responsable for world terrorism.

Yep, the arbitrary splitting of ethnic/religious groups into non homogenous countries then turned over to oppresvie and illegitimate governments did wonders for the region. None of our problems today are even slightly related to unresponsive monarchies or incompatible religious groups.

Related to world terrorism? Of course not. Related to internal ME problems yes, as always have been there.

Did I say America was not a rational islamic terrorists use for their hobbies? I...don't....remember saying that. I am reviewing the thread and don't see it, why don't you point it out for me sport

So i´ll take that as you finally agreeing that USA is the main cause of terrorism nowadays. Otherwise, i cant help you more. Fox News and similars have left you totally braindead.

[Ecthy]

Thorgal = Serb of Europe

[Thorgal]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Thorgal = Serb of Europe

I think that against so many Serbs of USA we have here some Serbs of Europa wouldnt be bad at all.

[Ecthy]

There's only one Serb of USA and he hasn't posted since #238.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Patroklos


It was spot on KH, his insinuation that Europe makes up for its lack of deployable units with some imaginary logistic/political/economic contribution is crap (especially since the US provides the bulk in those concerns as well). Get a clue.

Given who was talking and given what they said, you are so far off the mark that it's actually amusing...

[Ecthy]

I guess somebody's seriously underestimating other people's intellectual power projection capabilities

[KrazyHorse]

Pattie

Your inflated sense of persecution is one of the things I like most about you...

[Patroklos]

Lets see... that you did was to avoid the MAIN, and i would say the only reason for modern terrorism leaving the terrorists without any real reason but with some vague resentment about colonial times, pathetic.

You might want to start out with telling us what the "MAIN" cause of terrorism is, unless you prefer to stick with the vague "America."

But you could also tell me what American influence causes Muslims to bomb Bali dance clubs. Or are the terrorists bombing Saudi Arabian government buildings also striking at America?

Terrorism is about problems here and now. A guy doesn't blow himself because 100 years ago his country was part of a colonial empire but because he feels "his community" somewhat agreded NOW.

So the ME was a utopia of tolerance, equality, wealth and prosperity before 1991? I think I do remember the scorching of the Arabian pastures and grasslands into inhospitable waterless expanses of sand when I was a kid, blacked out the sun for a whole week right?

Or maybe the current events exacerbate long standing societal stress, or personal lack of fulfillment in populations with little hope of personal success?

No can't be. I know when Canada and Denmark fight over Hans island I feel a profound personal need to blame my high interest credit cards on Danish agression. I Am planning a plane hijacking right now as I type. So I can understand if a guy in the Philippines feels his problems there are caused by American intervention in Iraq and goes and beheads Western aid workers. Makes perfect sense.

Yeah, we all know it is off-topic thanks, as was your booooring and obsessive disertations about USS ships but that doesnt make USA any less responsable for world terrorism.

Yeah, I can't understand why the disposition of forces in strategic choke points would be relevant to a discussion on European defense expenditures and responsibilities either, go figure.

Related to world terrorism? Of course not. Related to internal ME problems yes, as always have been there.

Yeah, I can't figure out why world terrorism (the ME portion any ways) would be influenced by conditions actually affecting a populations well being instead of just percieved wrongs against people's pride. Poverty, oppression, lack of education, squandering of oil wealth, who cares about such things?

So i´ll take that as you finally agreeing that USA is the main cause of terrorism nowadays.

Nope, it's ignorance, about which I will grant you, you probably know more about being such an accomplished user yourself.

[Patroklos]

Your inflated sense of persecution is one of the things I like most about you...

I already said I was mistaken, and addressed the actual point, what more do you want.

Thorgal is not persecution, its clubbing baby seals.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Aid for the homeless in New Orleans ?

A lot of them ended up in my state where they now live. Worthwile cause if you sort out all those who are making a career out of being displaced.

[Sprayber]

Patroklos: Your not going to get anyone from Europe to admit that they actually like the American presence around the world. In a way it's our fault anyway that most of Europe is such a puss. The best way to show the value of the American presence around the world is to withdraw it and force the Euro's to put up or shut up. Then again, I don't think I like the idea of Europeans with any sort of force projection. A neutered Europe is a happy Europe.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Interesting stuff Patroklos

None of that justifies American ground troops in Germany anyway

They're there to make sure your loyalties stay with NATO should Russia go nuts and tried to annex Estonia.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Patroklos: Your not going to get anyone from Europe to admit that they actually like the American presence around the world.

Not that clear. Nobody should have a prob admitting that in certain fields it was/is posititive. That doesn't mean people have to like every aspect of it. US military presence around the world also means US influence around the world and it's quite natural that not everyone likes that - just like you posted you wouldn't like "the idea of Europeans with any sort of force projection".

The best way to show the value of the American presence around the world is to withdraw it and force the Euro's to put up or shut up.

That's also the best way to amputate yourself away from superpower status....and you don't expect us to believe that US global presence is only there to help others and that it does have nothing to do with genuine US interests as well?