Student gets charged for essay (Die Free Speech Die!!! )

[Fake Boris]

Remember, Elok, when you tried to argue that Nietzsche was about obscure metaphors that arrogant philosophers were trying to self-masturbate into pretentious essays ?

Well, that's why Nietzsche wrote in an obscure style. He was afraid of the stupidity of the populace like you, so he hid his ideas in obnoxious provocation and complex metaphors, so that he could be left alone and have discussions with the people who matter.

[Wernazuma III]

Oncle Boris.

or is it:

Oncle Boris, wtf. ?

No one seems to be sure about this.

[Elok]

Aesculapius was the god of healing, son of Apollo. Socrates's last words are often taken as a sign that he had been praying to the god for relief of some pain or illness, and thus did not regret death that much (hence his attitude). They're also a sign that he had the guts and levelheadedness to speak frankly on his deathbed instead of going for the heavily profound (ahem).

Also, Socrates educated a number of disliked people including the tyrant Critias, but could not be killed for political "crimes" of that sort, due to an amnesty that had been declared. So they cooked up some bibble-babble instead, not unlike the Clinton impeachment. I should add, for honesty's sake, that I read that analysis in the Cartoon History of the Universe; I didn't think it up myself.

But it makes more sense to me than that emo crap you spouted about how he was a threat to the establishment and blah blah blah. He did nothing not done by a fool figure in a Shakespeare play; in most societies, the powerless have a substantial license to rail with impunity, because people are more than capable of laughing at some uppity beggar no matter how reasonable he sounds. It's when he gets influence that it's worth going to the trouble to kill him. Otherwise you're just dignifying the fool with a response.

Keep jacking off about these metaphysical rhapsodies if you want, though. I'll stick to the profound "meaning" and "insight" found in the JFK assassination theories. An ignorant peon like yourself probably thinks it was the work of a lone crazy SOB. I, however, am thoughtful enough to realize that it was the fruit of a vast Freemason-CIA-Mafia conspiracy.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Remember, Elok, when you tried to argue that Nietzsche was about obscure metaphors that arrogant philosophers were trying to self-masturbate into pretentious essays ?

Well, that's why Nietzsche wrote in an obscure style. He was afraid of the stupidity of the populace like you, so he hid his ideas in obnoxious provocation and complex metaphors, so that he could be left alone and have discussions with the people who matter.

Result: he was miserable for most of his life, and insane for the last ten years. But, you say, he was able to justify it by telling himself that he was having wise, profound discussions with the people who REALLY mattered? Hmm. Explain that whole "slave morality" thing again, why don't you?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Elok
Aesculapius was the god of healing, son of Apollo. Socrates's last words are often taken as a sign that he had been praying to the god for relief of some pain or illness, and thus did not regret death that much (hence his attitude). They're also a sign that he had the guts and levelheadedness to speak frankly on his deathbed instead of going for the heavily profound (ahem).

You're ****ing right, my mistake. Actually, it helps me understand better the analysis of Apollo's and Dionysos differences.
(the idea of Socrates wanting to protect his piety still remains... paying your debt to the temple or to others, it doesn't change much.)

Also, Socrates educated a number of disliked people including the tyrant Critias, but could not be killed for political "crimes" of that sort, due to an amnesty that had been declared. So they cooked up some bibble-babble instead, not unlike the Clinton impeachment. I should add, for honesty's sake, that I read that analysis in the Cartoon History of the Universe; I didn't think it up myself.

Never heard about that, cite ? Though Socrates was clearly seen as a sophist, and his humility made him a convenient target for the other sophists trying to save their asses.

But it makes more sense to me than that emo crap you spouted about how he was a threat to the establishment and blah blah blah.

Socrates was a 'threat' in the sense that he was a non-flattering sophist...

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Elok


Result: he was miserable for most of his life, and insane for the last ten years. But, you say, he was able to justify it by telling himself that he was having wise, profound discussions with the people who REALLY mattered? Hmm. Explain that whole "slave morality" thing again, why don't you?

He wasn't miserable... gained professorship in Switzerland, then used his savings to settle in Provence, writing books and enjoying southern France.

And not sure what you mean by slave morality, would you elaborate ?

[MJW]

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[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I wonder if you'd say that if the FBI picked you up for what you posted on an internet forum.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
He wasn't miserable... gained professorship in Switzerland, then used his savings to settle in Provence, writing books and enjoying southern France.

And not sure what you mean by slave morality, would you elaborate ?

He had health problems his whole life, possibly psychosomatic. And he never got any tail. Permanent solitude is not fun, no matter what "noble" lies you invent about it. I should know.

Slave morality...you're familiar with the concept, surely? The idea that conventional morality was invented by slaves and inferiors to justify their weakness. When it's good to be meek, submissive, and dumb, the reasoning goes, you can feel good about your inferiority as a human being. Or something like that; my class on Nietzsche focused more on The Will to Power than The Genealogy of Morals.

What I'm saying is, being obscure to avoid arguing with others and claiming that you do it because you're intellectually superior to them, "they think I'm babbling nonsense but I'm the smart one nyah nyah nyah," well, how is that much different? He might have been Wise, but that doesn't change the fact that the Fools had all the power and there was jack he could do about it.

[Aeson]

http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=306827

Blood sex and Booze. Drugs Drugs Drugs are fun. Stab, Stab, Stab, S…t…a…b…, poke. "So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone…, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did." Umm, yeah, what to wright about…… I'm leaving to join the Marines and I really don't give a [expletive] about my academics, so why does the only class that's complete [expletive], happen to be the only required class…enough said. The model citizen would stay around to vote in new board member to change the 4 years of English policy, but no one really stays around to vote for that kind of local crap, so whoever gets there name on the Ballet with a pretty face gets to do what the [expletive] ever they want with local ordinance. A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I meen seriously, Bush for President? And our other option was John Kerry who claimed to parktake in Vietnam Special Forces missions that haven't been declassified…. [expletive]. So Power Flower Super Mario. Pudge, hook, rot, dismember "Fresh Meat." Most new/young teachers are laid back, and cooperative with students as feedback and input into the curriculum and atmosphere. My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and a illegal immigrant. If CG was a private catholic school, I could understand, but wtf is her problem. And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking. No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting.

OB is definitely correct... a masterpiece of literature is born!

Seriously though, that first part that gets quoted all the time is just a red herring. It's the last sentence that could be read as a threat. (Even though I wouldn't say it is... it can be read that way.)

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

This tells us you don't like that comparison.

Do you also think the criminal charges and penalties meted out to this student were appropriate?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Aeson

http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=306827

OB is definitely correct... a masterpiece of literature is born!

Seriously though, that first part that gets quoted all the time is just a red herring. It's the last sentence that could be read as a threat. (Even though I wouldn't say it is... it can be read that way.)

true.

That last part almost reads like a personal threat and there is less basis there for understanding it to be a (tasteless) joke.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Geronimo


This tells us you don't like that comparison.

Do you also think the criminal charges and penalties meted out to this student were appropriate?

There have been no penalties meted out, since this case hasn't gone to trial (if it ever will).

At this time, recruitment policy for all US armed services is that pending criminal charges may be disqualifying prior to enlistment. (When we were scraping the barrel for replacements late in WW2 and there was a draft, policies were different.)

I think a lot of the overreacting about this poow widdle boys "rights" are hypocritical. If anything, liberal jurists have extended the First Amendment far beyond its intended scope. It is very clear from original writings, case law, and even legislative enactments during the lifetime of the Framers that there was no intent to have the First Amendment used as a defence for defamation, for incitement to riot, conspiracy, sedition, extortion, or other acts in which some form of communication is part of the crime.

Was this a threat? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly could have reasonably been interpreted as such by a reasonable person or by a third party. If threatening a teacher or school official in a school setting falls within the scope of the state's disorderly conduct statute, then too bad, so sad.

If this kid has half a brain, he knew he was ****ing around in a class he didn't like, and he knew what he was writing could be interpreted as a threat. Nobody's required to coddle him and assume, "oh, he's just acting out and playing games." Same thing if you're in line at an airport and start commenting about blowing the place up because you're pissed off at the long delay.

So he played a little game with a teacher he didn't like, and he got called for it. Welcome to the adult world, sweetheart.

[Xorbon]

I wonder if Steven King would've been arrested for some of his early short stories? There's a specific story that I have in mind, but I forget the name of it...

[Japher]

^post of the day!