"I am still confused as to why they chose to lie"

[Jaybe]

Finland was a "friend" of Nazi Germany because the Soviets invaded them in 1939(?). The Finns kicked the Soviets' a** for awhile, but then had to secede bunches of land to them for peace. Mostly territory near Leningrad (St. Petersberg).

Finland basically gave Right of Passage agreements to the Germans during WWII.

Now, what was this supposed problem with Sweden?

My second or third post EVER in the OT.

[EyesOfNight]

It's a good thing Roosevelt didn't use propaganda during WW2 and he fought that war exactly the way the Democrats would have wanted it fought today.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Didn't Finland join the Axis in some fashion? I know they had home-grown SS units...

Wiki lists them as "co-belligerents" but not actual members of the Axis.

[Drake Tungsten]

Wiki lists them as "co-belligerents" but not actual members of the Axis.

Close enough. At any rate, we all know the Finns were Nazis.

[Imran Siddiqui]

"were"?

[Apocalypse]

Pekka is really an SS Super Sitizen.

[Drake Tungsten]

"were"?

The Finns of today are far worse than Nazis...

[Berzerker]

Jessica is cute

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Jaybe
Now, what was this supposed problem with Sweden?

Among other things, we neglected to lope the heads off allied airmen that ended up in our territory.

[Q Classic]

Why do Jessica Lynch and the Tillmans ****ing hate America?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

But this isn't Flag of our Fathers, where real heroism is being exploited for political gain.

As I said, it appears Rufus didn't watch Flags of Our Fathers...

I think Rufus's point was more that the machine in that movie was exploiting real heroism, not that the movie itself was exploiting it? I'll admit I didn't read the genesis of that part of this thread.

Of course, in the movie, that heroism was still manufactured, since they were looking for the people who were in the photograph, etc., etc. So it's not like this administration is doing anything that new.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

I'm just conforming to the notion that just because something was done in WWII doesn't mean it was good.

Everything the Allies did in WWII was good. Everything the Axis and Sweden did in WWII was bad.

I thought Sweden hid a bunch of Jews?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Arrian
Yet, when one suggests that something the Admin or pro-admin groups say might be propoganda, one is labeled traitor.

Then, when it comes out that it *was* propoganda, it's all "well, duh, it's wartime, propoganda is normal."



-Arrian

Arrian No offense intended but.......

Really who was doing the labeling? When was the last time someone was labeled a traitor for such actions? Must have missed the court hearing.

I despise the whole you can't criticize anyone for anything meme. Feel free to criticize the admin all you want. Have at it. Similarly don't hide behind the "waaaah you called me a traitor BS, cause I don't want to have to take responsibility for any flack my opinions may have stirred up." IOW, a very insidious and IMO weasely way of steering topics to only those approved of by one side of the arguement.

To my initial question, who was doing the labeling? Most often it would appear to be self labeling in order to appear the martyr.

[Arrian]

Obviously the "libruls are traitors" crowd is a vocal minority, and one that has gotten quieter of late (gee, I wonder why?). But it's still plenty loud, and if you don't hear it I have to wonder whether you're wearing earplugs.

However, let's put that aside and forget all that nasty stuff. Let's instead rephrase what I said as follows:

"When one suggests that something the Admin or pro-admin groups say might be propoganda, one is labeled _____."

Fill in the word of choice. Defeatist? Nicer that traitor, but along the same lines. How about fool or hack?

"Then, when it comes out that it *was* propoganda, it's all "well, duh, it's wartime, propoganda is normal."

Still works, IMO. An O, by the way, that I'm comfortable "taking flak" for.

-Arrian

[Tattila the Hun]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Wiki lists them as "co-belligerents" but not actual members of the Axis.

Close enough. At any rate, we all know the Finns were Nazis.

Eenemy of my enemy is my friend, nothing more, nothing less. We refused to send them our jews, mostly.

Many finnish jews were awarded german awards for valor and whatnot... (I quess it isn't that easy to spot jews from other finns, without names like, er, Finkelstein or Somethingbaum.) They tended to refuse the medals.