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  • #31
    I'm just conforming to the notion that just because something was done in WWII doesn't mean it was good.
    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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    • #32
      You can come down now, this is old news.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Straybow
        You can come down now, this is old news.
        The Bush Administration being utterly incompetent and cynical? Yes, you're quite right, that is very old news.
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        • #34
          I'm just conforming to the notion that just because something was done in WWII doesn't mean it was good.


          Everything the Allies did in WWII was good. Everything the Axis and Sweden did in WWII was bad.
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          • #35
            Wrong thread...



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            • #36
              I didn't see you guys condemning Sweden, though. That's the important part...
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                I'm just conforming to the notion that just because something was done in WWII doesn't mean it was good.


                Everything the Allies did in WWII was good. Everything the Axis and Sweden did in WWII was bad.
                You forgot Finland.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  I didn't see you guys condemning Sweden, though. That's the important part...
                  How could we have forgotten?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                    You forgot Finland.
                    Serb

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Patroklos
                      Grow up. And I am still not sure why people thing the Prez and the SecDef have an omniciet knowledge of the actions of 5+ million military personel. Most of you probobly don't know what your kids did last night. Well I know why, its so they can *****.
                      Let me tell you the story of Cpl. Dan Smith. Cpl Smith was a punk-ass 19-year-old Marine when his ship docked for a few days in the Philippines. One night, on a Cinderella Liberty, Cpl Smith and his buddies went out drinking and picked up some lovely, drunken Filipinas. As midnight neared, the Marines piled into theri rented van, and Cpl Smith took his lovely, drunken companion with him. In the van, they had sex, with his companions watching. They then dumped the lovely Filipina in theh road and raced back to their ship.

                      The next day, Smith found himself charged with rape.

                      This case was part of my portfolio when I worked in the Phils. And in spite of the fact that Smith was just one insignificant Marine, not even serving in either of the two wars the administration was waging, I know for a fact that Rice and Rumsfeld were being briefed on the Smith case. So am I to believe that they were following this hapless loser's case, but were ignorant of the nature of the Lynch and Tillman cases, when these two had been turned into poster children? Now who needs to grow up?

                      Obviously, wartime administrations engage in propoganda. But this isn't Flag of our Fathers, where real heroism is being exploited for political gain. Instead, heroism is being manufactured, and families lied to in the process.

                      It is, in the end, probably a small matter. But its very smallness is the point: no matter is too inconsequential to be untainteed by the sheer shabbiness of the Bushies.
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                      • #41
                        Rufus, could it be that the military lied to Rummy?

                        But, you do make a good case. I look forward to the truth.
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                        • #42
                          to Jessica Lynch for telling the truth. Integrity

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
                            So am I to believe that they were following this hapless loser's case, but were ignorant of the nature of the Lynch and Tillman cases, when these two had been turned into poster children? Now who needs to grow up?
                            Where's the evidence that they knew about Tillman?
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                            • #44
                              You forgot Finland.


                              Didn't Finland join the Axis in some fashion? I know they had home-grown SS units...

                              But this isn't Flag of our Fathers, where real heroism is being exploited for political gain.


                              As I said, it appears Rufus didn't watch Flags of Our Fathers...
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                                You forgot Finland.


                                Didn't Finland join the Axis in some fashion? I know they had home-grown SS units...
                                Join? Weren't they charter members?
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