17 year old girls murder friend to find out what it is like

[Kuciwalker]

[Gatekeeper]

I am not ashamed to admit that, while and after reading this story, I had tears in my eyes.

Gatekeeper

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by GePap

As for the notion of it being "alien", sorry Kuci, but I find killing for a cell phone as alien to me as killing for curiosity. Maybe you should seek psychiatric help.

judging by this thread, you're the deviant.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Aeson


The proper reciprocal would be that after the execution their corpses would be sent to your house to be burried.

Free fertilizer.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Free fertilizer.

At least that would mean the make some contribution to the world..........................

[MJW]

Die thread die.

[Ecthy]

I find this piece of news boring, another proof of western sickness, etc pp. Why some of our most educated people would call for capital punishment on these girls, though ALWAYS against it, is totally beyond me.

Talk about political correctness. Richelieu and Asmodean set the standard, the intelligentsia elite followed.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Ecthy
I find this piece of news boring, another proof of western sickness, etc pp.

While this may be a "common" occurance in your part of the world - it is a rare thing in ours.

This has caused horror and outrage within our communities - this kind of atrocity is, thankfully, rare within our community.

It is, to us, not boring, but horrifying.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Why some of our most educated people would call for capital punishment on these girls,

Interesting - what do you mean by "most educated"?

[Ecthy]

Nugog, I'm European not whatever you might think, furthermore German. Stuff like that never happens in my part of the world and there would be immense outrage if it happened over here (yes, in Spain too!).

What I'm talking about are the totally unaware reactions of some people who call for DP and think up ways of execution that would not only horrify most Europeans (who are normally against DP in general), contradict the US legal clause against "cruel and unusual" punishment but would probably even be rejected by dictatorships.

My theory is that it's group action and everyone's just eager to prove something to the others. Political Correctness with a twist.

[Ecthy]

Nugog, I assume that most of those who posted in this thread are well-educated of some sort. Many are DP opponents, and not only because of their worrying about the possible killing of innocents but also for cultural arguments.

While I understand that the "discussion" about what could be done to those girls got an ironic twist later on, the "PC notion" on my part reminds me of something that happened in Germany in relation to the execution of Saddam.

While people in Germany normally agree that DP is something that "belongs to the middle ages" and "we don't do that it's so American or 3rd world", suddenly when it came to the Saddam execution people on the streets would say into TV cameras "I'm ALWAYS against capital punishment because I'm so PC but in this case I think we can make an exception."

This is so stupid because normally you are against capital punishment out of certain reasons. And over here it's not just the possible innocence of the sentencee, but also certian "civilized" arguments: that we've stepped above taking revenge, that it doesn't deter more than life in prison, that there's always pain to the sentencee etc. pp. These reasons are supposed to be universal. The entire Western civilization is based on the fundamentally liberal assumption that people should have the same rights and that rights and law and values should apply to EVERYONE, on the planet even. And suddenly just because they like to they change their opinion and it becomes OK to execute Saddam.

Democracy can't work with people as unreflecting as these.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Ecthy
Nugog, I'm European not whatever you might think, furthermore German. Stuff like that never happens in my part of the world and there would be immense outrage if it happened over here (yes, in Spain too!).

What I'm talking about are the totally unaware reactions of some people who call for DP and think up ways of execution that would not only horrify most Europeans (who are normally against DP in general), contradict the US legal clause against "cruel and unusual" punishment but would probably even be rejected by dictatorships.

My theory is that it's group action and everyone's just eager to prove something to the others. Political Correctness with a twist.

Fair call.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Ecthy
These reasons are supposed to be universal. The entire Western civilization is based on the fundamentally liberal assumption that people should have the same rights and that rights and law and values should apply to EVERYONE, on the planet even. And suddenly just because they like to they change their opinion and it becomes OK to execute Saddam.

Democracy can't work with people as unreflecting as these.

There are exceptions to every rule.

Here in NZ we do not have the DP. But there are , IMO, times where it is appropriate. Crimes that are inhumane, beyond the reckoning of the general acceptance of what is normal within your own culture/community/civilisation, that call for drastic actions.

Oz and NZ have become over recent years very liberal in regards to crime and punishment - and the fear is that we will no longer apply the punishment that is "community acceptable" to this kind of crime.

Our academic institutions have, in many ways, become disconnected from the general public, particularly in regards to the divergence between the needs of the victims and those of the offenders, to the point where by many consider that the offenders have more rights than the victims. Add on to that, the concern that we do not wish to "follow" what we see as the mistakes of other "liberal" nations, yet balanced with the fact that socially we are liberal ourselves in many ways (particularly in regards to minority rights, sexual orientation, religious belief, personal rights to live our own lives however the hell we wish without interference of government), we, (and all of this is my own opinion), are incredibably concerned about these kind of events happening in our society.

We are lucky - these things are rare in our our part of the world. We want to keep it that way.

[Last Conformist]

Inhumane? Strangulation can't rank very hign on the list of cruel and unusual methods of murder.

[MJW]

This is so painful. GePap is right.