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But you said all intelligent creatures have freedom, so if God isn't free, he necessarily isn't intelligent.
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Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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God can sin, but chooses not to.
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So why can't we?Originally posted by Jon Miller
God can sin, but chooses not to.
Jon MillerWhy can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Beserker, your statements show that you fundamentally do not understand/reject Christianity. I personally like Christianity a lot better than other religions (it is one of the reasons I am Christian), and I recommend that you study it
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Free will was created by GodBeserker, you are forgetting free will.
I have studied it, and the traditional explanation makes no sense. God sends his son to die a horrible death at the hands of sinners to absolve the sinners of their sins? No, God died at the hands of sinners because that is the fate we suffer. Your explanation absolves God of any responsibility for creation...Beserker, your statements show that you fundamentally do not understand/reject Christianity. I personally like Christianity a lot better than other religions (it is one of the reasons I am Christian), and I recommend that you study itComment
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God (if he exists) isnt a creature, he was not created, he always existed, humans, cows, angels, would be creatures, all the living things created by God would be creatures.Originally posted by Last Conformist
But you said all intelligent creatures have freedom, so if God isn't free, he necessarily isn't intelligent.
Christians believe Jesus as a part of the holy trinity has existed forever and therefore is God and not a creature, other "heresies" or denominations do believe therwe was a time when Jesus did not exist and that therefore Jesus is a creature, altough maybe the most exalted one, JWitnesses if I recall correctly, believe Jesus was the human incarnation of archangel gabriel (the one who told Mary she would get pregnant)I need a foot massageComment
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Originally posted by Jon Miller
God can sin, but chooses not to.
Jon Miller
So why can't we?
Originally posted by Last Conformist
So why can't we?
So why can't we what? Choose not to? This sounds like a personal problem. The rest of us pretty much recognize we have a choice.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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You are missing the entire point of Christianity.Originally posted by Berzerker
I have studied it, and the traditional explanation makes no sense. God sends his son to die a horrible death at the hands of sinners to absolve the sinners of their sins? No, God died at the hands of sinners because that is the fate we suffer. Your explanation absolves God of any responsibility for creation...
Millions, maybe even Billions have understood it.
Even many atheists understand it. I am not sure why you can't.
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We can, and can choose not to. Jesus was proof of this.Originally posted by Last Conformist
So why can't we?
No one else (than Christ) has though (lived a life with no sin ever).
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Christ didn't die so that some of us might enter heaven. Christ died to save us from our sins, to cloak us in His righteousness and transform us . He also promised us that He has provided a place for us, near Him.Originally posted by snoopy369
Christians (well, some, anyway, Christian is a rather broad term) believe that Jesus died so that we (sinners) might have a better opportunity to enter heaven. Believing in him and through his teachings and works becoming able to receive God's grace allows one entry into heaven.
Forgiveness of sin, only comes through Christ, and is amazing in and of itself.
Now I think it is obvious that while all sin is forgiven though Christ, that some who have no knowledge of Christ can still hvea their sins forgiven (Christ can remove your sins even if you don't know of His existence), but there is some argument about this.
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I'm aware of the traditional explanation, it just doesn't make sense. Why did Jesus' suffering among the worst of human fates absolve us of our sins?You are missing the entire point of Christianity.
Millions, maybe even Billions have understood it.
Even many atheists understand it. I am not sure why you can't.
Why did he have to die? Couldn't God just say our sins are forgiven without sending Jesus to a horrible fate? What was the purpose of God taking human form and dying that way?Christ didn't die so that some of us might enter heaven. Christ died to save us from our sins, to cloak us in His righteousness and transform us.
Then why did Jesus instruct his followers to pray to God for forgiveness and make the "requirement" for this forgiveness that we forgive others? If he died for our sins, why would we need to ask God for forgiveness in the first place?Now I think it is obvious that while all sin is forgiven though Christ
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"... Jesus aint even in the picture, we pray to God and we are forgiven "as" we forgive others... That lays the burden on us, not Jesus. If you want God's forgiveness, you must forgive others.Comment
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How do you know?Originally posted by Jon Miller
No one else (than Christ) has though (lived a life with no sin ever).THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
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I'm pretty sure the spiteful destruction of other's property (eg. fig trees) is a sin.Originally posted by Jon Miller
We can, and can choose not to. Jesus was proof of this.
No one else (than Christ) has though (lived a life with no sin ever).
Anyway, apart from being heretical - a sort of pelagianism -, you're position doesn't make much sense. What kind of choice is it if everyone choses to sin?Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Aren't you supposed to be Christian?Originally posted by SlowwHand
So why can't we what? Choose not to? This sounds like a personal problem. The rest of us pretty much recognize we have a choice.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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Catholics believe the virgin mary never commited a sin
"The Immaculate Conception is a Roman Catholic dogma that asserts that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was preserved by God from the stain of original sin at the time of her own conception. Specifically, the dogma says she was not afflicted by the lack of sanctifying grace that afflicts mankind, but was instead filled with grace by God, and furthermore lived a life completely free from sin. It is commonly confused with the doctrine of the incarnation and virgin birth, though the two deal with separate subjects.
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