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If we all are sinners and sinners deserve hell, then isn't it morally reprehensible to use Jesus as your savior? Should you not take the punishment you deserve?
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"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok
Many protestants (for example calvinists) believe God predestinates people to heaven, and predestinates people to hell too.
Catholics believe God predestinates people to heaven, but not to hell. (They go to hell, because they are sinful like all humans, and because God did not predestinate them to heaven, but Not because God predestinated them to hell)
Molinists believe, those who were not predestinated to heaven, were not predestinated to heaven because God could foresee they would reject him.
Probably I got many things wrong, (I had to study this in high school)
wiki always helps
Molinist believe that God does not only have knowledge of necessary truths and contingent truths but that God's middle knowledge contains, but is not limited to, his knowledge of counterfactuals. A counterfactual is merely an "if/then" statement. A example would be, "If Bob was in situation X he would freely choose A over B." The Molinist claims that even if Bob is never in situation "X" God could still know what Bob may or may not do. The Molinist believes that God, using his middle knowledge and foreknowledge, surveyed all possible worlds and then actualized a particular one. God's middle knowledge of counterfactuals would play an integral part in this "choosing" of a particular world.
Molinist say the logical ordering of events for creation would be as follows:
3. God's free knowledge (the actual ontology of the world).
Hence, God's middle knowledge plays an important role in the actualization of the world. In fact, it seems as if God's middle knowledge of counterfactuals plays a more immediate role in creation than God's foreknowledge. The placing of God's middle knowledge between God's knowledge of necessary truths and God's creative decree is crucial. For if God's middle knowledge was after His decree of creation, then God would be actively causing what various creatures would do in various circumstances and thereby destroying libertarian freedom. But by placing middle knowledge (and thereby counterfactuals) before the creation decree God allows for freedom in the libertarian sense. The placing of middle knowledge logically after necessary truths, but before the creation decree also gives God the possibility to survey possible worlds and decide which world to actualize.[4]
Perhaps the greatest advantage to the Molinism system are the theological implication it has for a variety of doctrines. For God still retains a measure of divine providence while not hindering man's freedom (in the libertarian sense). Because God has middle knowledge, He knows what an agent will freely do in a particular situation. So, agent A, when placed in circumstance C, will freely choose option X over option Y. Thus, if God wanted to accomplish X, all God would do is, using his middle knowledge, actualize the world in which A was placed in C, and A would freely choose X. God retains an element of providence without nullifying A's choice and God's purpose (the actualization of X) is fulfilled.
Molinists also believe it can aid one's understanding of salvation. Ever since Augustine and Pelagius there has been debate over the issue of salvation; more specifically how can God elect believers and believers still come to God freely? Those who lean more towards God election and sovereignty are usually Calvinists while those who lean more towards man's free choice follow Arminianism.[5] However, the Molinist can embrace both God's sovereignty and man's free choice.[6]
Take the salvation of Agent A. God knows that if He were to place A in circumstances C, then A will freely choose to believe in Christ. So God actualizes the world were C obtains, and then A freely believes. God still retains a measure of His divine providence because He actualizes the world in which A freely chooses. But, A still retains his libertarian freedom. It is important to note that Molinism does not affirm two contradictory propositions when it affirms both God's providence and man's freedom. God's providence extends to the actualization of the world in which an agent may believe upon Christ. Molinism splits from Calvinism by affirming that God is not the primary cause of salvation, but also splits from Arminianism because it has a higher view of the role of God's sovereignty in salvation.[7]
Another benefit that Molinism offers concerns the issue of the process of Biblical cannonization. For, suppose that God could survey the various possible worlds and see in which one the correct cannon was chosen. Then God would merely weakly actualize that particular world in which the correct cannon is preserved. In this way God can provide the modern church with the correct set of books.
Thomas Flint has also developed several theological implictions of Molinism, including Papal Infallibility, prophecy, and prayer.[
My denomination doesn't beleive in a Hell of eternal torment.
Jon Miller
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Well, protestants divide and multiply like amoebas, I had in mind with protestants, calvinists and lutherans, and other denominations close to those 2.
The only Christians who I have met that still, actually, for real beleive in predestination are Primitive Baptists. They were actually a bit grating (but probably other Christians find some SDAs the same).
The presbaterrians (spelling is wrong) I know, while having some predestination inclinations or background ideas, don't beleive in real, hardcore predestination.
Jon Miller
Jon Miller- I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
The Catholic Church, following St. Augustine (e.g., Grace and Free Will, 1,1; Sermon 169, 11,13), accepts predestination of the elect to heaven, but also affirms the freedom of the human will, thus staking out a position distinct from Calvinism. Predestination to hell, in Catholicism, always involves man's free will, and foreseen sins, so that man is ultimately responsible for his own damnation, not God (double predestination is rejected).
The Catholic Church affirms predestination as a de fide dogma (the highest level of binding theological certainty), while at the same time affirming free will and the possibility of falling away from the faith.
But, there is no official teaching on how exactly this comes into play. There are numerous theological schools of thought on the matter, the two major ones being the Thomists and the Molinists. I tend to subscribe to the former. The latter is closer to the Arminian position.
Any theological position on election, however, must conform with the Church's soteriological teachings. Molinism, Thomism, and Arminianism all conform, Calvinism does not. To conform, your theology must accept the following:
1) Free will; that is, God allows people to choose him, and allows them to reject them. People always have the option. Thus election, if you believe it, must be an act of persuasion and not compulsion.
2) Co-operation; it is necessary for salvation for a man to cooperate with God's grace. Man must continuously allow God's grace to work in him. If at any point a man prevents this, he falls from grace.
3) Jesus died for all men, and his sacrifice has the potential of saving all, but his act did not automatically save anyone, only those who choose to accept him.
4) Man is born in a state of sin, and must be called by God in order to accept Him and thus receive the merits of Christ's sacrifice.
5) God predestines no one to Hell. i.e. you can only believe in negative reprobation, not positive.
There are, of course, many other teachings on salvation, but these are the main ones. Thomism, unlike Calvinism, accepts all of them. The main difference between the various schools of thought is how the calling grace of point 4 get dispensed, and its effects. Thomists maintain that God does not bestow it on everyone, while Molinists maintain that he does.
For more on the Catholic Church and Predestination, this essay by Ludwig Ott has more: Catholic Predestination
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