Crazy Christian Theology Question

[Berzerker]

Jesus didn't die for our sins, he died for God's sins...

God took the form of man and suffered among the worst of our fates, not because we aren't perfect, but because God created imperfections and we are afflicted with those imperfections...

His act was to join us, not to have us join Him...

[Japher]

God didn't create imperfections, he created trials.

The devil creates temptations.

It is the free will of man to choose what is a trial and what is a temptation and how to over come each. When man chooses not to overcome, or at least chooses not to try and overcome, either a trial or a temptation it is there we find imperfections and sins.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Barnabas
Most christians belive in predestination.

What?

edit: ah

[Berzerker]

God didn't create imperfections, he created trials.

The devil creates temptations.

Who created the devil ?

[Berzerker]

Why would Jesus need to die a horrible death for our sins? That not only misplaces the blame - Jesus was without sin - it bears no logical connection to absolving us of sin. God sees us sinners and says, "I'll send my son down to suffer horribly at the hands of sinners to absolve them of sin" ?

No, if Jesus = God, then Jesus was God sharing our fate - a fate for which God is ultimately responsible...

[Barnabas]

But God did not create the devil as evil, the devil is a fallen angel.

The question would be, why did God create the devil, if God knows the future, and knew before creating the devil, that it would become evil.

[Barnabas]

By the way, Saint therese of Avila said once, that when a human resists a sexual temptation, that human resisted a greater temptation that the one that made the devil fall.


It is not related much tot his thread, but felt like sharing it.

[Ninot]

God created the devil because life without temptation would suck

[Berzerker]

But God did not create the devil as evil, the devil is a fallen angel.

The Devil was imperfect hence the fall...therefore God created an imperfect being before creating us... I detect a pattern

The question would be, why did God create the devil, if God knows the future, and knew before creating the devil, that it would become evil.

Either way, you cant say God is the Creator and ignore that sin is part of the package... That leaves us with a "reason"able quest for why God allowed sin into existence. Why aint life perfect? Define perfection? I'd suggest perfection is not, nor ever was an option. How would children (or adults) play a baseball game if life was perfect? Everybody hits a homer or no one gets a hit, perfection is in the eye of the beholder and therefore cannot exist... Our very humanity requires the existence of "sin", without it there is no morality, no choices to be made, and no redemption...

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Perfection
It just seems to me that if you deserve hell (as many Christians contend we all do), then you should not accept Christ's gift because that would result in a wrong being committed.

Christians (well, some, anyway, Christian is a rather broad term) believe that Jesus died so that we (sinners) might have a better opportunity to enter heaven. Believing in him and through his teachings and works becoming able to receive God's grace allows one entry into heaven.

Basically, we are all sinners, but if we live our lives the way Jesus describes, and at the same time accept God as our God and Jesus as his earthly representative and/or earthly essence and/or etc., then we can overcome our sin and be permitted entry into heaven.

If Heaven were reserved for "perfect" then nobody would be there... hence there has to be a way to get there while still being a sinner, doesn't there?

[Sandman]

What justifications do Christians use for moral behaviour apart from supernatural bribery? Are there any denominations which don't believe in any afterlife?

[Jon Miller]

Umm, just because you believe in an afterlife doesn't mean you need supernatural bribery.

I think there is even discussion in Paul about this.

Beserker, you are forgetting free will. Additionally, some liberal Christian theologians think that man fell/etc so as to grow, and and that so we will become more than what we could have been without falling.

Jon Miller

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by Berzerker


The Devil was imperfect hence the fall...therefore God created an imperfect being before creating us... I detect a pattern



Either way, you cant say God is the Creator and ignore that sin is part of the package... That leaves us with a "reason"able quest for why God allowed sin into existence. Why aint life perfect? Define perfection? I'd suggest perfection is not, nor ever was an option. How would children (or adults) play a baseball game if life was perfect? Everybody hits a homer or no one gets a hit, perfection is in the eye of the beholder and therefore cannot exist... Our very humanity requires the existence of "sin", without it there is no morality, no choices to be made, and no redemption...

No, God created a holy beign, but gave Freedom to it, and the devil and his demons chose evil.

There is sin because all intelligent creatures have freedom.

[Last Conformist]

So ... God isn't intelligent, or does he sin too?

[Barnabas]

God if he exists would be perfect, so he cant sin and is always just.

That is another question, if God is unable to do evil, is he free?