Damn anti smoking fanatics! Bars can't serve food and allow smoking? WTF!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I believe one of the rights is that of liberty, is it not?

Everyone is free to smoke if he wishes.

Everyone is free to marry same-sex partners. Multiple of them.
Everyone is free to kill if he wishes.
Everyone is free to run his car through a preschool playground if he wishes.

LIBERTY 4 LIFE!!!!!

[greenday_234]

Then debate how cars/trucks are essential to modern life and smoking is nothing but an addiction for weak-willed people.

My debate isn't "cars/trucks" its unecessarily enormous cars and trucks. Maybe if people viewed these automobiles as grotesque as people viewed smoking, then we would have moved a lot further into alternative technology but we haven't because people have labeled these types of automobiles "okay" and "neat".

And yes cars/truck pollution yes pollution have been linked to numerous lung conditions, such as asthma.

P.S. I suggest you look into what comes out of a tail-pipe and tell me it doesn't pollute. Then again I guess you could be right, I guess decades of scientific research could be wrong.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Ming


I have never advocated that smoking should be allowed everywhere. And I have no problem with smoking bans in most places. I follow them, and do resprect the rights of others.

And I have no problems if owners want to make their bars non smoking establishments. I do have a problem with the government mandating it. If a bar owner wants to allow smoking, he should be able to. Non smokers aren't FORCED to go into the establishment.

This whole... but my friends wanted to go in... or people have no choice but to work there stuff is all crap. It is your choice on whether you want to enter or not.
You don't have to be exposed to second hand smoke if yo don't want to.

Smoking is not illegal in this country. Someday it may, but now it isn't. If a bar owner wants to allow it, I say fine. Let the market decide... not the majority. Because if we let the majority always dictate to others, minorities in all areas will stay screwed...

you dont have any qualms with other forms of the government mandating private use do you?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
gay marraige and smoking again?? how often does one come across a sign posted in a bar, in a bus or subway thats says no gay interaction?? I think the odds are, ull find a no smoking sign faster so lets get over tht real quick!! The point is i have as much right to smoke in designeated areas and if ya dont like it leave

Of course you have as much a right to smoke in the designated areas!

And the public has a right to decide what those designated areas are!

So get over it.

(BTW: I think you'll find smoking is more socially accessible than homosexual PDAs in public. I dare you to kiss a female friend in a restaurant and see what happens vs you lighting up a smoke).

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
You are comparing the right to people to harm the health of everyone around them in a public place to two people marrying eachother.

That is not a valid argument, and I'd hope you'd know that.

I know that... and have stated my opinion on that subject repeatedly.

However, there are some people that see gay marriage as destructive to society. That it is harmful to society and to their straight marriages. They most likely would see the two as similar. And you know that majority argument...

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
gay marraige and smoking again?? how often does one come across a sign posted in a bar, in a bus or subway thats says no gay interaction?? I think the odds are, ull find a no smoking sign faster so lets get over tht real quick!! The point is i have as much right to smoke in designeated areas and if ya dont like it leave

and if the public changes what are designated areas shut the **** up about it

who do you htink mandates this ****? god?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Ok excuse me but when the fu@k did i become ignorant? Ya know i got better things to do with my time then this. so u guys have a wonderful ****ing time cause it sems to me u mother ****ers dont give a **** bout right and wrong, its more freaking imprtant that e one is right, WHEN yall are are clueless not a dam one of you will ever freaking be right!!!

[greenday_234]

Everyone is free to run his car through a preschool playground if he wishes.

Yeah cause having a smoke in a bar filled with adults is just like running through a playground...good comparison

Everyone is free to marry same-sex partners. Multiple of them.

Your against gay marriage? Hmmm thats ashame.

[MRT144]

if youre right then i want to be wrong.

and you believe in an arbitrary, black and white view of right and wrong which you violate all the time.

[Asher]

Originally posted by greenday_234
My debate isn't "cars/trucks" its unecessarily enormous cars and trucks.

I completely agree. I drive a compact car.

If memory serves, Ming owns a boat of a car and MrsT owns an SUV...

P.S. I suggest you look into what comes out of a tail-pipe and tell me it doesn't pollute. Then again I guess you could be right, I guess decades of scientific research could be wrong.

I never said they don't pollute...

I'm just saying car/truck pollution alone doesn't kill NEARLY as many people a year as smoking does, and they're FAR more necessary for modern society than smoking is...

[notyoueither]

Actually, given the accepted heath effects of tobacco I don't see why the manufacture, import, and sale of these products is legal.

What chafes is that the government is gleefully taxing the **** out of pruducts that they treat the users of as some sort of second class citizenry.

[Ming]

Originally posted by MRT144
you dont have any qualms with other forms of the government mandating private use do you?

I have many qualms about many government mandates

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming


I know that... and have stated my opinion on that subject repeatedly.

However, there are some people that see gay marriage as destructive to society. That it is harmful to society and to their straight marriages. They most likely would see the two as similar. And you know that majority argument...

I can understand that many Americans believe the government serves to serve their religious beliefs. It doesn't.

They can have every right to vote against gay marriage if they want, but when it comes to an issue of civil rights, it's out of their hands.

There is nothing about smoking in public places that is a real civil rights issue.

[MRT144]

are the people that support bars choices for patronage also for segregation?why cant property owners discriminate? who chooses who property owners CAN discriminate against?

[Ben Kenobi]

Everyone is free to kill if he wishes.
Everyone is free to run his car through a preschool playground if he wishes.

So smoking is the same as massacring a playground full of kids?

I dunno. You're the only one who is defending himself through insults and ridiculous hyperbole. What are you trying to accomplish here?