Fantasy Hockey - Seed of Chucky

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher

Do you think anyone would say that Vernon was the greatest goalie of his decade? Do you even say that ?

Of course not. But I'm not sure what this has to do with a team jersey retirement. The scope of such a thing is to a team.

I'm glad to see you don't take the fandom to the extreme

Originally posted by Asher



And Vernon was one of the best goaltenders in the Flames' 26 year history -- second only to Kiprusoff. He's also the main reason why Calgary won its cup and president's trophy.

being one of the Flames best in goal is kinda damning by faint praise. While there have been some good keepers over the years I am not exactly overwhelmed by the talent when I look back over the years

AS for the Cup and President's trophy -- he participated in winning ONE of each-- obviously you need good goaltending to do so but my recollection is that Calgary had a good team -- since this is Calgary's only Cup so far I guess that is pretty notable

Originally posted by Asher



It makes perfect sense for Calgary to thus retire his jersey, recognizing his contribution to the team. It's a bit high-and-mighty of Habs fans to openly mock this move because their team has greater history.

In fact, that's why I hate the Leafs -- fans like that. It's disappointing Ninot is more like a Leafs fan than I thought.

I don't mock it-- I'm sure there are teams that have retired a jersey for less-

[Ninot]

What if I was?

Last note on Morenz: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure 40 goals in 44 games was probably a record for the time.

edit: Bah, it wasn't even the highest that year. Still, impressive!

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher


Are you just bitter that Vernon's the reason the Flames won the cup at The Forum? Is that what this is about?

I was bitter but winning since then has dulled the pain.

As Roy would say "I can't hear him since my Stanley Cup rings are blocking my ears"

[Asher]

Back then goalies were absolutely terrible.

I'm absolutely certain a modern player like Jagr could absolutely outscore everyone else back in the 30s and 40s by a huge margin.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ninot
What if I was?

Last note on Morenz: I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure 40 goals in 44 games was probably a record for the time.

I think number 15 on a Hockey News poll in 1998 should give some sense as to his status. When a player from the 30s even ranks in a poll like that 60 years later, you know they were something special

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
Back then goalies were absolutely terrible.

I'm absolutely certain a modern player like Jagr could absolutely outscore everyone else back in the 30s and 40s by a huge margin.

I won't debate that. Fitness levels and available equipment-- nutrition etc are all much better-- but you judge a player as to how they did against their contemporaries-- frankly since there is nothing else you can do

[Ninot]

Hainsworth had 22 shutouts in 44 games in one of them late 20's seasons.

I'll let Asher figure out why that's less impressive than it sounds

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ninot
Hainsworth had 22 shutouts in 44 games in one of them late 20's seasons.

I'll let Asher figure out why that's less impressive than it sounds

He clearly had some kind of talent in an age when no other goalies really did.

[Ninot]

DING DING DING!

Actually, no.

It was before the forward pass was allowed. So he probably only faced a handful of shots per game.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher

He clearly had some kind of talent in an age when no other goalies really did.

ooooo--ooooo

Can I have "it was probably back when they had banned the forward pass" for 100 Alex???

[Flubber]

damn-- too slow

[Asher]

So we're in agreement that old timers aren't really that relevant.

honestly, before the 60s NHL hockey looks like High School Hockey today.

[Ninot]

so can I still take pride that the Habs have the most cups post 67?

[Asher]

Yeah, that's a huge accomplishment.

[Ninot]

Thanks