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    BABIES born alive at less than 22 weeks gestation should be treated as if they had never existed, even if they breathe, move or their heart beats, a report by a royal college is expected to say.
    Guidelines drawn up by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) are expected to recommend that babies born alive before 22 weeks are not routinely issued with a birth certificate.



    Doctors say that even if babies born at less than 22 weeks show signs of life, they are extremely unlikely to survive, so their short existence should not be recorded.

    About 300 babies are born every year below 22 weeks. The babies survive for only a few minutes and often die in their parents’ arms. While most of these cases are extremely premature births, they also include up to 50 babies born alive after failed abortions.

    The RCOG is expected to say that acknowledging that these babies have been born alive, and having to register the births, causes unnecessary suffering to mothers who wanted an abortion. It will say that babies born below 22 weeks are “pre-viable” and not capable of life.

    Although very few babies born below 22 weeks are believed to have survived long-term in Britain, statistics have not been kept. At 22 weeks a couple of babies survive in the UK every year. By 23 weeks, 17% survive.

    The suggestion not to count babies born below 22 weeks gestation would prove contentious. Dr Paul Clarke, a consultant neonatologist at Norfolk and Norwich University hospital, said: “I find this incredible and deeply disturbing. To pretend that any foetus was born dead when it was actually born with signs of life, no matter how small or immature, would be a grave deception.”

    Professor Stuart Campbell, whose 3D ultrasound images of a foetus sucking its thumb at 14 weeks and opening its eyes at 18 weeks, shifted popular opinion on abortion, said society could not deny that babies younger than 22 weeks had been born alive. “If the foetus is making respiratory efforts, its heart is beating and it is moving its limbs then it is born alive. This seems like trying to deny the truth of what is happening,” said Campbell.

    In stating that babies become viable at 22 weeks, the RCOG will also provoke further calls to end abortions for social reasons up to 24 weeks.

    Dr Vincent Argent, medical director of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, is the latest abortion expert to add his support to lowering the upper limit. “It may be reasonable to drop the limit for social abortions from 24 to 22 weeks in view of the expected RCOG guideline on the pre-viable foetus,” said Argent.

    Last year 875 late abortions were carried out at 22 and 23 weeks gestation, which would not be allowed if the cut-off point was reduced to 22 weeks.

    Abortions would still be allowed up to birth if the baby had a severe disability or if the mother was in grave danger.


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    OK, 1/4 of the babies born at 22 weeks are the products of botched abortions. That means that 3/4 of babies born at that time were not the subject of an abortion, but instead were wanted by their parents. Numerous studies show that parents recover from their grieving if the status of the baby as an individual is recognised. Parents are encouraged to treat a stillborn child the same way that a child dying after being born alive would be. Should 150 parents suffer to make 50 parents feel better?
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    • #3
      I'm willing to lay odds that I'm the only person on Poly who routinely sees premature infants born at 22 weeks gestation. And let me assure everyone here: these children are not viable. Period. Not with today's technology. Their eyelids are fused; their skin is gelatinous at best; their internal organs are frequently visible through their skin; their mouths are typically too small to even attempt to insert a breathing tube. Their deaths are a mercy.

      Less than half of all infants born at 24 weeks survive long enough to leave the hospital, and >85% of those who do survive have extraordinarily severe, crippling mental and physical disabilities. We routinely do everything we can to save them; babies born at 22 weeks are beyond our help.
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      • #4
        And also, what about the 2, 22 weeks babies that do survive every year?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
          OK, 1/4 of the babies born at 22 weeks are the products of botched abortions. That means that 3/4 of babies born at that time were not the subject of an abortion, but instead were wanted by their parents. Numerous studies show that parents recover from their grieving if the status of the baby as an individual is recognised. Parents are encouraged to treat a stillborn child the same way that a child dying after being born alive would be. Should 150 parents suffer to make 50 parents feel better?
          True, this.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
            And also, what about the 2, 22 weeks babies that do survive every year?
            Show me such an child who is not severely, profoundly disabled, and I'll show you a child who was misdated.
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            • #7
              I think their passing is a blessing; apart of the Plan that, for whatever reason, they're not intended to thrive.

              An aborted natural abortion is all I know how to call it.
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              • #8
                "Spontaneous abortion" is the usual term.
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                • #9
                  Does this really have to be legislated from above?

                  Why can't parents be consulted case-by-case on whether they want such a birth registered?
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                  • #10
                    I would agree with you now guy however that wasnt the case 2 years ago. I worked at a childrens hospital and we were called on a routine basis to the NICU to help treat these premature babies and why i do agree that they shouldnt be prolonged in life, cause death is usually the inevitable. The problems lie with the parents and their abilities to say goodbye. Most times it happens but some cant do it. Needless to say I didnt have the stomache to deal with those kids anymore it got to hard and decided peds werent my calling.
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                    • #11
                      And to make it clear ill give you guys an example of a child born at 23 weeks. The infant survived for 14 weeks it got to the point there were so many problem with the infants instestines. after 3 surgries there came a point where the infant had nothing left to cut out to survive. The parents had to make a decision andlet a baby on breathing tube and a heart beat die cause he had no life with out instestines. Nothing you can do I think it made it harder for them after caring for this infant for 14 weeks then had they let him die at 23 weeks.
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                      • #12
                        Huh. I'm surprised this is in the UK, given the date. This strikes me as potentially a splendid vote-jacker issue on our side of the pond.
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                        • #13
                          Needless to say I didnt have the stomache to deal with those kids anymore it got to hard and decided peds werent my calling.
                          Well in my opinion I don't understand why the parents blamed you folks for not saving their kids. You do your job and hope for the best, but in this situation, even if everything goes well there is a slim chance for everything to work out.

                          I think you did a really good job in caring for these premature babies, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to watch them die as your patients.
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                          • #14
                            I could never, ever be a doctor and deal with that kind of thing. Guy

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                            • #15
                              I think I could deal with almost any tragedy that befell me, except for losing my daughter.
                              I don't know that losing as a baby would make it a whole lot better.
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