It seems like the Dems will be taking both houses of Congress.

[MrFun]

I have another thought in regards to the relationship between minorities and political parties. In the nineteenth century, Frederick Douglass had ambivalent feelings towards the Republican party. At times, he was frustrated with some Republican leaders who were either blantantly racist, or who privately supported emancipation and in some cases, equal rights, but they thought it was too much political liability. At other times, Douglass still supported the Republican party because it was by far the better choice than the Democratic party which was more monolithically a white supremacist party. Not to mention that there really were other Republicans who became public proponents for emancipation and even equal rights in spite of the threat of political liability.

Today, for gays and lesbians, the Democratic party may not be the ideal party in gaining equal citizenship rights. But it certainly is a far better choice than the Republican party, which has strong ties with the homophobic religious right. The Democratic party is at least more of a mixed bag than the Republican party; there may be Democrats who are blantantly homophobic, and others may privately support equal rights for gays and lesbians but are too scared of political liability. But there are other Democrats who are stronger, public proponents for equal rights than Republicans.

[Dinner]

Virginia just got called for the Dems. It appears mericles do happen and not the Dems control one of the three branches of government though by the narrowest of margins.

All that and the ****bag Rumsfield is now history. It is like Christmas a month early.

[MrFun]

Oh, and Oerdin, you have oversimplified the voting demographics as far as minority groups are concerned.

There are plenty of gay Republicans out there who are devoted to the Republican party. And the same goes with Hispanics, blacks, and so on -- the Republican party, for better or worse, can claim their share of members of those minority groups as well.

Personally, I think such Republican minority group voters are misguided in many cases, but then, that is my opinion.

[Dinner]

Republicans get around 12% of the black and hispanic votes. I doubt the gay vote looks much different.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The only thing gays have in common with blacks is that Republicans have treated them all like ****. Republicans have so mistreated them that I'd be surprised if any gay person votes Republican in the next half century.

Well then given that you know that then, you might want to retract your comment that you doubt ANY gay voter will ever vote for Republican ever again.

Two of my gay Republican friends would certainly get a chuckle out of this comment of yours.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Guynemer
This is a good start. But only that; the Dems best not get too satisfied with themselves, or this will all be wiped out in 2 years.



In other news: Jon Tester for Pres in 2012!

How about Schweitzer in 2008? Without him there's no way in hell Tester would've won.
I'd take him over Hillay in a second...

Yeah, like you city-slickers would ever vote for a Montanan...

As for me, northern Maine =! city.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That is proven by the last 40-50 years of Republicans attempting to prevent nonwhites from voting. Republicans don't think nonwhites vote their way so Republicans have done everything in their power to prevent nonwhites from voting. It is clear as day and has been ongoing since the 1960's.

Oh good gosh. To think that it is only Republicans that seek to supress oposing segments of the vote iss the height of political ignorance.

And if you want to talk about the 60's and the Democrats trying to supress the non-white vote, then you will have volumes to say.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
He's a Republican... and he is incredibly religious conservative, which most of us here seem to dislike. He's the kind of guy who questions if evolution should be taught in public schools without "intelligent design" and believes that gays rights is something Satan has spawned.

See, that isn't so bad. He represents some group that you disagree with, but if they exist, they need representation.

Now corruption/etc on the other hand..

JM

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, but he represents crazy people . And whether they need representation is a matter up for debate .

[Kuciwalker]

Representation for crazy people representation for commies but I repeat myself.

[DinoDoc]

Now that the election is over and the Democrats seem to have had a good result (for once! ) is there a chance that Ted Striker and Oerdin might get the help they desperately need?

[Kuciwalker]

Depends on what the Democrats do with Medicare, I suppose.

[Dinner]

It would probably be vetoed by Bush.

DinoDoc is, of course, beyond help.

[MOBIUS]

[PLATO]

Funny how Bush and his Dad are so different. Bush 1 had a bad economy and was popular for the war...Bush 2 has a good economy and is unpopular for the war.

Maybe Jeb can put it all together....