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I care infinitely more about the policies supported by the House leadership than their regulation of the personal conduct of their members (except in cases like bribery, which effects policy). It just doesn't interest me.
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Except this isn't just personal conduct. This is a program that Congress is supposed to be responsible for. Hastert and Shimkus have a duty to protect these kids. It's way down on my list of concerns, but it is a public concern."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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My first post in this thread was #125.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Because of your behavior re: said sex scandal.
You were already posting about Clinton in post 101, probably sooner.
Why can;t you stop lying Kuci? WHY?
edit: actually, I forgot I made a quip in post 34 about dead girls and live boys.
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Yep.I'm pretty sure Ramo was using the word should in the sense of "even if this conduct were illegal, I would support removing that law because such a law would be morally wrong" (probably because it's likely to cause more harm than good)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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My biggest beef is that they don't put up any real fight against the GOP, so effectively, they are the same as the GOP. However, they aren't socialsts so I wouldn't support them even if they were effective and had a spine.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Re: che, just ask him what his biggest issue with the Democrats is. My avatar says he'll answer that they're too much like Republicans.
OH NOES! That means that he never criticizes any Democrats at all unless they are too far to the right!
As for this, the reasl scandal isn't Foley, which I just find amusing. The real scandal is that the GOP House leadership has been sitting on this for at least two years and that they were still trying to engage in a cover-up as of Friday.
I think Foley is creepy, and he reminds me of someone who hit on me in chuch when I was a kid. Maybe I'm not being entirely fair, but I do think it's different than Clinton and Lewinsky. For what its worth, Lewinski was legally an adult, who had finished college, as opposed to a high-school boy.
Furthermore, while it hurts the GOP, it's a godsend to the White House, who would otherwise have to be looking to fire Secretary Rice for a real scandal.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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This scandal has more staying power than I thought. Still on the front page above the fold in the WaPo. I have to think this can't last, but...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
This scandal has more staying power than I thought. Still on the front page above the fold in the WaPo. I have to think this can't last, but...
In other words, we get to watch you backpedal now, and eat your own words.
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Duh.Originally posted by DanS
This scandal has more staying power than I thought.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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No, I still think it will have limited impact at the polls, unless the scandal finds new legs. Like other congressmen doing the same thing, or Foley having sex with these kids, etc. The front pages eventually will turn to something else.Originally posted by MrFun
In other words, we get to watch you backpedal now, and eat your own words.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Or, say, more information comes out about the leadership knowing about it and not doing anything?
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That's what's keeping the story alive now, to be sure.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
No, I still think it will have limited impact at the polls, unless the scandal finds new legs. Like other congressmen doing the same thing, or Foley having sex with these kids, etc. The front pages eventually will turn to something else.
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what Imran saidA lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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This scandal has more staying power than I thought.
Yeah, you'd figure that a pedophilic sex scandal without pedophilia or sex would blow over pretty quickly. If it wasn't so close to the midterms this probably would be old news by now...KH FOR OWNER!
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On NPR, the people they were talking to said it wouldn't stop them from voting GOP, cuz even if it's a problem in the GOP leadership, their GOP representitives are still good, decent, God fearing Christians. (Who will vote to put those bad apples back in charge you dumb bunny!!!!!)Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Golly!
Couldn't we have a Starr Report into these shenanigans, too ?
Seems only fair.
If the Republicans could get so worked up about Clinton and Lewinsky engaging in consensual heterosexual sex, then I'm sure they should be concerned at the conduct of one of their own using his position of authority to engage in uninvited salacious sex talk with male teenagers serving, ah, under him.
The AdvocateBut Foley declared the topic of his sexuality off-limits to the magazine and the public: "Frankly, I don’t think what kind of personal relationships I have in my private life is of any relevance to anyone else."
Aren't there laws relating to harassment by email in the U.S.A. ?
I wonder if Mr. Foley likes wrestling movies too...Attached FilesVive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
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I would agree the whole gist of the scandal now appears to be centerred squarely on appearances of coverup. It will of course be interesting to see when the Repugs actually knew and for that Kudos to Hastert for calling for the FBI to investigate.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
As for this, the reasl scandal isn't Foley, which I just find amusing. The real scandal is that the GOP House leadership has been sitting on this for at least two years and that they were still trying to engage in a cover-up as of Friday.
But just as interesting will be what if any culpability the Demonrats have:
Yesterday, eleven Republican Congressmen sent letters to Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and Rahnm Emanuel, asking them to cooperate with the House Ethics Committee's investigation by appearing before the Committee and giving testimony under oath. The letters say, in part:The implication of course was that Demonrat operatives knew of this for a period of time and rather than go through criminal prosecution released the sttory for maximum October surprise effect. In effect they themselves allowed this dirt bag more opporunity to cyber diddle (was that the term used?) and potentially actually molest teen boys while they held the story close to the vest. (Why is this then only a Repug crime? And as for who is more culpable who knew about this story longer, Hastert and Repug leadership or Demonrats?)We fully agree that anyone with knowledge of Foley's activities, who then attempted to conceal such activities, should be held accountable. Today, the bipartisan Ethics Committee announced that they will be conducting a complete investigation of the facts surrounding the case.
We support this decision and also believe that the seriousness of this goes beyond partisan politics and hope that you will join us in demonstrating full cooperation from your Members and and political operatives as this investigation continues to unfold.
Just as it must be determined whether any Republican Members or political operatives were aware of and attempted to conceal Mr. Foley's activities, it must also be determined whether any Democrat Members or political operatives were aware of, and attempted to conceal these same activities.
Therefore, we respectfully ask that you appear, under oath, before the House Ethics Committee.
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