Orlando outlaws feeding homeless people...

[MRT144]

the 10% of homeless people that are chronic problems create 90% of the costs to tax payers. i know no one will like this on a moral level for lefties or righties but its actually cheaper for the government to put these problem cases in apartments on contingent basis of them getting help. check out a new yorker article that talks about this from january 06 or so.

also i think everyone has it wrong when they want to solve homelessness. Its not a solvable problem, its a containable problem.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
How do you outlaw homelessness? That's just bizarre, Dan. Anyone can become homeless. We like to believe not, but thats in error.

You outlaw homelessness by outlawing what homeless people do. I.E. you make vegrancy a crime, you make loitering a crime, oublic intoxication, and half a dozen other things. If the goal is just to harrass homeless into going some where else then this is not justice, however, if the goal is to take a drug addict and make his life so unbearable that he seeks treatment (and society does have an obligation to fund these treatments since it is wrong to punish homeless without providing a treatment for the reasons people became homeless). If the person just wants to game the system and not cure his addiction or treat his mental illness then he should be kicked out of the system. Tough love is the anwser; make them understand their on the wrong path and if they make the right choices that they can get jobs, pay for an apartment, and stand on their own two feet. That is the best way.

[Drake Tungsten]

"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui

Did you want to punch Imran in the face? Or did he want to puch you in the face? I'm unclear on the issue...

For the record, I support the former and oppose the latter.

Lawyers suckling on the government's teat

Suit-wearing former porn stars

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Smiley
Homelessness in the US is not a city-level problem, it's a national problem that needs to be dealt with by federal programs. Otherwise, the places that do try to solve the problem end up attracting drifters from across the country.

This is NOT the way the US works, nor should it. The Federal Government exists to solve problems that either are between two states, or are between this country and another. Problems internal to a city should be dealt with by that city. If help is needed from the state, then that should be granted; and if the problem is somehow beyond the ability of that state, then the federal government should provide aid (ie, money). City-level problems should NEVER be dealt with at the federal level; that would be an inappropriate usurping of power by the Federal government, and would be a waste of money and time.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui

Did you want to punch Imran in the face? Or did he want to puch you in the face? I'm unclear on the issue...

For the record, I support the former and oppose the latter.

Lawyers suckling on the government's teat

Suit-wearing former porn stars

we both said it to vesayen when he was advocating torture, no questions asked.

[Drake Tungsten]

Punching vesayen

[MRT144]

Originally posted by snoopy369


This is NOT the way the US works, nor should it. The Federal Government exists to solve problems that either are between two states, or are between this country and another. Problems internal to a city should be dealt with by that city. If help is needed from the state, then that should be granted; and if the problem is somehow beyond the ability of that state, then the federal government should provide aid (ie, money). City-level problems should NEVER be dealt with at the federal level; that would be an inappropriate usurping of power by the Federal government, and would be a waste of money and time.

i want to live in THAT country

[joncha]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Punching vesayen

QF

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by DanS
Homeless men is a big problem in my neighborhood. Just like in Orlando, homeless men congregate in the city parks to wait for the charitable organizations to come by and feed them. It makes downtown feel much less safe, seems to foster an atmosphere of disorder (drugs, etc.), and lowers property values, especially for residential properties.

Poor DanS and his offended middle class sensibilities. It almost makes we want to cry

[Dinner]

None of you are listening to a tried and true method.

[joncha]

Those who survive will make our Fatherland all the stronger.

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by Oerdin
None of you are listening to a tried and true method.

There is one problem with that method - what to do with those who refuse the help? It only works so well in San Diego since those who refuse leave town for somewhere else, becoming another city's problem.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Oerdin
None of you are listening to a tried and true method.

if for the carrot dangling part of it, not so much the make life so miserable part.

[SlowwHand]

Get them for no loitering violations? Wherever they are, they're loitering. Stop walking and you could be said to be loitering.
I guess they could jog 24/7. Nothing like in-shape homeless.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
How do you outlaw homelessness? That's just bizarre, Dan. Anyone can become homeless. We like to believe not, but thats in error.

You can outlaw it, but it's one of those stupid ordinances that you look at, and go, wtf?

In Atlanta a few years ago, they'd banned "urban camping", because apparently they didn't want homelss in the city, but also didn't want to hurt their feelings by calling them the homeless.