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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Welcome to the would-be cowboy club, LOTM.
Welcome to the would-be cowboy club, LOTM.
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yee haw."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
What is the score now?
Israel 500
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Hezbollah 50
It doesn't seem to me that either side is looking what it is shooting at."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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Btw, no one talking about the US plan for a truce (or at least the rumors of it)? From what I've heard it sounds like it could be a very good plan which doesn't let either side totally off the hook, but each side has to accept it.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I wonder about the "international troops" thing I hear now, even from the US talking about Euro, and/or Muslim forces there. Basically I'd like the idea that someone comes in there and actually "keeps peace" - but wouldn't it go down into the same mess like the same thing in the 1980ies (IIRC, too lazy to look it up)? So why are they now so confident that it works this time?BlahComment
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Doesn't the plan call for the international force to disarm Hez? I'm sure that can only go smoothly."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - DissidentComment
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I read something about 20000, later even 30000 Troops, Eurocoms as core, plus forces from countries like Egypt, Morocco, maybe Turkey too, under either NATO or UN command. It seems Israel supports that too. Maybe they can make a short visit in Damascus too
But seriously, I wonder if that will work, or just end up in a terror mess if the armed fraction of Hzb insists on being "armed".BlahComment
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Cause this time we're hoping for the Bundeswehr?Originally posted by BeBro
I wonder about the "international troops" thing I hear now, even from the US talking about Euro, and/or Muslim forces there. Basically I'd like the idea that someone comes in there and actually "keeps peace" - but wouldn't it go down into the same mess like the same thing in the 1980ies (IIRC, too lazy to look it up)? So why are they now so confident that it works this time?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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At some point, SOMEBODY has to "bell the cat".Originally posted by BeBro
But seriously, I wonder if that will work, or just end up in a terror mess if the armed fraction of Hzb insists on being "armed"."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I've heard in the radio that the Italians are ready to send troops.Originally posted by lord of the mark
Cause this time we're hoping for the Bundeswehr?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
At some point, SOMEBODY has to "bell the cat".
Could you please "translate" that ? I'm not sure I like it.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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As far as I know this they are indeed planned to be one of the Euro contributors and I read France, Poland and Germany are in favor of it, but ask for the usual "well defined, robust mandate".Originally posted by lord of the mark
Cause this time we're hoping for the Bundeswehr?BlahComment
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Right isn't the determining factor. It rarely is where countries are concerned. What you talk about is all fine and poetic but in reality people both guilty and innocent share in the fortune and misfortune. The Lebanonese reap what was sown when they decided to put off the matter of doing something about hezbulla just like Isrealies take the punishment for their leaders decisions to actively punish hezbulla. Perhaps in the future each country will make alternative decisions. Hopefully better ones.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Indeed... there is no reason that, for example, an Isreali in Haifa who voted for Peretz or some peace party should die because his government is a bunch of aggressive ****s (which is presumably the reason that person voted against them). It isn't right.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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a group of mice are "terrrorized" by a cat. Someone suggests putting a bell on the cats collar, so that they know when the cat approaches. All agree this is a good idea. No one volunteers to bell the cat however.Originally posted by BlackCat
Could you please "translate" that ? I'm not sure I like it.
"The Little Mice Plan to Bell the Cat
Believe me, said a youthful mouse,
That cat makes too much fuss,
The silly thing just sits and waits
to capture one of us.
You're right, a peer said, looking grim,
I find the cat disgusting,
You never know just where she is!
No wonder we're mistrusting.
Quickly a committee formed
And came up with an answer!
A bell around the kitty's neck
Would neutralize the cancer!
The crowd rejoiced: OUR PROBLEM'S SOLVED!
But Grandma Mouse looked leery,
She sighed a tired sigh and said:
I've just one simple query.
Who'll be the one to volunteer
To go and bell the kitty?
And all kept perfect silence then,
Especially the committee.""A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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a robust mandate is essential.Originally posted by BeBro
As far as I know this they are indeed planned to be one of the Euro contributors and I read France, Poland and Germany are in favor of it, but ask for the usual "well defined, robust mandate"."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
a group of mice are "terrrorized" by a cat. Someone suggests putting a bell on the cats collar, so that they know when the cat approaches. All agree this is a good idea. No one volunteers to bell the cat however.
"The Little Mice Plan to Bell the Cat
Believe me, said a youthful mouse,
That cat makes too much fuss,
The silly thing just sits and waits
to capture one of us.
You're right, a peer said, looking grim,
I find the cat disgusting,
You never know just where she is!
No wonder we're mistrusting.
Quickly a committee formed
And came up with an answer!
A bell around the kitty's neck
Would neutralize the cancer!
The crowd rejoiced: OUR PROBLEM'S SOLVED!
But Grandma Mouse looked leery,
She sighed a tired sigh and said:
I've just one simple query.
Who'll be the one to volunteer
To go and bell the kitty?
And all kept perfect silence then,
Especially the committee."
Thanks
Though, I have heard about that done to a cat and it learned to move without activating the bell until it was too late for the prey.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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