Russia vs China

[Serb]

I'm not an expert, I don't know. But chaff is not something new, it's a 50 years old idea.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Russia's strategic air forces are similarly miserable relative to America. Once your capabilities are degraded to a certain level it is pretty much all the same, and China and Russia are under that level.

You didn't answer my question.
Russia has over a hundred strategic bombers. China has none. Their tactical bombers are joke - a half century old design. Russia outnumbers them 2:1, while Russian tactical bombers are modern bombers with much greater range, payload capcity.
So, HTF Chinese could reach anything deep inside Russia to bomb it?
BTW, how much strategic bombers America has?

And though I agree with you that Russia's hardware is overall superior to China's, China's level of readiness is much greater than Russia's. I know you will deny this as you are not capable of making any realistic judgement of your own forces,

Just like you can't make any realistic judgement of capability of your own forces.

but it is a universaly accepted fact.

Just like an universaly accepted facts like: US Army can crush anyone on this planet, USA is the beacon of freedom, the last hope of humanity and the same bullsh!t.

Just get a Jane's Fighting Planes/Ship's and watch the number of pages for Russia go down year to year, with the famous Jane's assesment "operational status doubtfull" plastered across all the pages. In Jane speak that means "a rust bucket that will never fly/sail again". It is actually very sad.

In 1991, when USSR collapsed, there were one million military personel in the Soviet Airforce (not to mention civilian personel). Now Russia has 200,000 military personel in its airforce. We are reducing our Army both in personel and planes, because we simply don't need a one million people Airforce with hell knows how many thousands of planes. Do you have a one million military personel in your Airforce NOW? No, you don't. Why should we? That means there is no need for such quantity of planes anymore and those planes are decomsissioned/go to reserve.

In any case, neither Russia or China have a military capable of deployment outside their territory against any real threat. If China invades Russia, Russia wins. If Russia invades China, China wins.

Wrong. Russia wins all the time. Simply because we can reach any piece of Chinese soil and bomb it to dust. Hell, what will left after China when we'll destroy their dams?
China can't do the same.

And there is more to missiles than SAMs. You complete lack of smart AGMs and stike cruise missiles is pathetic.

No, your complete lack of knowledge about Russian missiles is pathetic.

Educate yourself:


"THE RUSSIAN TACTICAL MISSILE ISKANDER
The launch installation has two missiles with a range of 280 kilometers. Each missile has a 480 kilogram warhead consisting of 54 elements. The system can be used against small and large targets. The Iskander missile can easily overcome air defense systems. The accuracy of fire is 2 meters. It's almost impossible to prevent a launch of an Iskander missile because of the system's mobility. Targets can be found not only by satellite and aircraft but also by a conventional intelligence center and by a soldier who directs artillery fire. Targets can also be found from photos, which will be put into a computer by means of a scanner. The self-direction device functions even in fog or darkness. Only the Iskander system can accomplish such tasks. The United States has tried to reconsider the missile technology control regime and here arises the question whether this may be an obstacle for the sale of the new missile abroad. Such missile systems as Iskander have a special place in the world weapons market. Even a small amount of such missiles drastically changes the balance of force in conflicts. If a country has Iskander systems which in the next 10 to 15 years cannot be destroyed on their positions or intercepted in flight no enemy even with a tenfold superiority in forces will start an aggression similar to the air strikes of NATO on Yugoslavia. That's why the United States has tried to reconsider the missile technology control regime. The American tactical missile ATASM is a weak rival for the Iskander system".

http://www.vor.ru/science/madeinrus26_eng.html

Russia successfully tests high-precision long-range cruise missile - 2005.05.28/11:36
Russia has successfully tested a high-precision long-range cruise missile, said Lieutenant-General Alexander Rakhmanov, deputy chief of armaments directorate of the Russian Armed Forces.

"The cruise missile flew right into the window after traveling 2,000 kilometers," said Mr. Rakhmanov describing the test flight of the cruise missile. Mr. Rakhmanov took part in the round-table discussions on innovation in defense industry that was held the Russian Academy of Sciences.

According to him, the X-555 cruise missile is built on the basis of all state-of-the-art technologies used for developing high-precision weapons. "This is an old missile that has been modernized using all the state-of-the-art technologies," said he.

The long-rage cruise missile with a non-nuclear warhead entered service with the Russian Strategic Air Force last year. The missile is designed for hitting ground targets with pinpoint accuracy.

The Russian military expects to use the missile in local armed conflicts and antiterrorist operations. Only the U.S. Air Force has similar missiles, according to Izvestia. In the past, the Russian Air Force had only X-55, a nuclear-warhead cruise missile capable of hitting targets within the range up to 3,000 kilometers. The new cruise missile X-555 is a modification of the X-55. It is equipped with a homing-guidance warhead and therefore can be used as a high-precision weapon.

http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2005/05/28/60019_.html

"BRAHMOS is a Supersonic Cruise Missile that can be launched from submarine, ship, aircraft and land based Mobile Autonomous Launchers (MAL)".

http://www.brahmos.com/missile_tech.html

3.2 Russia is taking the essential measure consolidates own nuclear country status

The American current procedure, broke two superpowers æ ¸å‡åŠ¿. Regarding this, in the hand grasps the massive nuclear weapons Russia is cannot stand by. Therefore, Russia already started to take the corresponding countermeasure.

3.2.1 uses the new technology on the combative strategic nuclear weapon ?

Russia launched one SS-25 intercontinental ballistic missile, it is said, this time launch in fact was is experimenting one kind of new missile flight technology, but this kind of technology might cause the missile with ease to hide the airborne interception, then caused the NMD shape with to be nominal. The this test fire SS-25 it last 助推 section is one high speed cruise missile, this kind of missile when aerial flight is not nearly possible to intercept.

Moreover, Russia has started to equip Chinese white poplar -M, this kind of missile trajectory very is according to what is stated special, in the tentative plan true missile defensive system is not nearly possible to intercept it. Russia plans every year deploys 35 ~ 40, within 10 years plan deploys 300. ?

3.2.2 positively develops the seapower ?

You the Si gram number mystical submersion may know from the storehouse, Russia continuously is devoting the development seapower. On the one hand, development new strategy nuclear-powered submarine. On the other hand, development new submarine firing weapon. The Russian fifth generation of strategy nuclear-powered submarine " god the north wind " the level submarine soon finishes. At present, is constructing 4 " god the north wind " the level submarine, estimates from 2003, Russia will every year constructs 1. In addition, Russia developed one kind of code number is the Shkval-E missile, this missile was one kind " the high speed water-to-water missile " , it through the fish blasting cap launch, reached as high as (200 in the submarine approaching speed ~ 224) nmile/h. It is said United States Navy any means has not defended this kind of high speed water-to-water missile. ?

3.2.3 Russia's cruise missile also does not show weakness

Russia as early as carried on long-distance X-111 and X-555 cruise missile a series of experiments in 1999. The X-111 missile trajectory range achieves 3000 km, X-555 achieves 5000 km. The Russia expert thinks, completely has the ability makes the trajectory range reaches 10000 km the cruise missile. The warhead may penetrate 6.5 m thick concrete, compares with the American tomahawk type missile, it daytime or dark night limit, also goal weather condition limit.

3.2.4 increases the investment has the achievements in the missile defensive system aspect ?

Russia in 2002 increased allocates funds, to use in to make the new air defense system, the missile attack early time early warning system, the long-distance radar è¦æˆ’飞机 as well as the high accuracy weapon. ?

Russia develops the S-400 new air defense missile system, not only is one air defense system, also is one instead leads the system. It may eliminate 来犯 any flight vehicle, includes hides oneself the airplane and the tomahawk type cruise missile.

Russia indicates, the American deploys the national missile defensive system, we will take the countermeasure. The research countermeasure is not below 30 kinds, Russia not only in the land, airborne and marine copes with USA, but also plans enters into rivalry in the outer space and USA. Prepares to carry on the outer space lays mines, uses each kind of counter- satellite system, uses so-called outer space 榴霰弹 even outer space trash on the track.

3.2.5 research small nuclear bombs have had the many years ?

Russia develops the small equivalent, has the high penetrating power, " is clean " the nuclear bomb, already had many years. Restores the nuclear test in the New Territories island in question has also decided.

The fact proves, Russia still had the formidable national defense strength. The Bush government fully saw this point, therefore a series of vital international questions, all patiently solicited Russian the opinion.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/china/2002/urltrurl.htm

Similarly, your Air to Air missiles are a joke.

Similary, you have no idea about Russian AAMs.
When American, Chinese, space alliens or anyone else will create something similar to Russian R-37, please, let me know.
"In April 1994 first-ever tests on defeat of the air purpose on range over 300 kms have been successfully lead. For comparison, the most long-range American rocket of a class air - air AIM-54C the Phoenix has range no more than 160 kms.

http://www.wartechnic.ru/rus/weapon/airtoair/r37/index_en.shtml

http://www.wartechnic.ru/rus/weapon/airtoair/r37/teh_en.shtml

The Phoenix retired some years ago, because it was expensive and inaccurate as hell.
So, I have to ask the same question again - HTF, you will destroy Russian planes from safe distance, considering that Russians can knock your jets down from 300 km, while the best missile you had in your inventory until now, had a maximum range of 160 km (just like its Russian counterpart R-33 missile), and the best missile you have NOW has a range of, iirc, 50km.

Every chinese copy of your maritime missiles is generations ahead of the originals to include C-802s and Sunburns. I think Russia could build those missiles to the same standards, they simply don't.

When Chinese, Americans, Aztecs, Martians, ANYONE will create something equal, not to mention a generation ahead of Sunburn, please, provide a link to that miraculous breakthrough.
"The Raduga Moskit anti-ship missile is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world".

http://www.softwar.net/3m82.html

And plaese notify me, when US Navy will get something at least similar to Shipwreck or "Oh, SH!T!!!" missile according to Lonestar's classification.

http://www.answers.com/topic/p-700-granit

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1144.htm

[Serb]

[Patroklos mode on] Your complete lack of precise artillery is pathetic [/Patroklos mode off]

http://www.warfare.ru/?catid=254&linkid=1587

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/krasnopol.shtml

http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_005638.php

The only existing laser guided artillery shells.

[Eli]

We love you Serb.

[Ecthy]

That long post makes no sense at all, at least in the English language.

But then I'm probably the first and only to notice because noone probably reads all that

[Serb]

Originally posted by Eli
We love you Serb.

We?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ecthy
That long post makes no sense at all, at least in the English language.

But then I'm probably the first and only to notice because noone probably reads all that

Screw you.

[Serb]

You find one-liners be better than long posts?

[Ecthy]

I find the content of that post could have been summarised in a post only 3 or 4 paragraphs long.

[Serb]

And I find that in this case, various "Link? Source? Cite?", yells would have take a much bigger place than my "long" post.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
We?

Me too.

[Lonestar]

So does Phillipe.



but not me.