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  • Take care guys, don't let those blind attacks kill you or your families.
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    • IDF reports that Hizbullah is able to launch about 20 missiles over 100-120km. I think it is safe in my town now.
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      • Where do you live?
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        • Originally posted by Spiffor
          Where do you live?
          Modiin. Please use private messages next time.
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          • Sounds like shells have hit a town on the syrian side of the border:
            Update 2: Not rumors anymore - 23 already have died in an attack on the village of Marooheen. Jdaidet Yabous is being hit, an area which is on the Lebanon-Syria border, but on the Syrian side.
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            • Both Israel and Syria are denying any bombing in Syria according to the AP
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              • Best of luck to those in the area. Stay safe.
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                • Why does Israel respond so much more viisciously to attacks on its soldiers than it does to attacks on its civilians?

                  Glad to know our Israeli friends are safe.
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                  • Report: Israel gives Syria 72 hours to stop Hezbollah activity

                    Then again, maybe not (see my next post)
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                    • I think there's a problem in the way the world approaches dealing with wars and confrontations.


                      The main ideal behind European attitudes is to save lives and minimize violence, and bringing about a stalemate or a status quo.


                      Eventually that attitude only leads to
                      prolonged conflicts - having not solved any of the unerlying reasons for conflict, both sides are required to restrain themselves. No side is really forced to make a decision changing its current stance.

                      unpunished agressors - always demanding the provocated side to restrain their reaction, means that factually provocateurs to do their deeds and remain unpunished.

                      This infact gives the upper hand to provocateurs.

                      If it went according to the european logic then the Hezbullah attack would have been left unanswered, and Israel would sit down to discuss prisoner releases.

                      If we objectively judge the result - Hezbullah wins 100%. Its operation is a success, it goes unpunished, and to top that - Israel gives in to Hezbullah demands, having no cards of its own, and having 2 citizens in captivity.

                      Admittedly - this is the safest and most 'peaceful' solution for Lebanese citizens.

                      However this obviously gives an upper hand to Israel's enemies and makes it 100% profitable to commit agression against Israel - knowing it is a "sure win" for Hezbullah.

                      It is however against Israeli interests to create a cituation where it is profitable to commit agression against it. Thus, realizing many people might be hurt in the short run, Israel must react in a way which will make future terrorists think twice.

                      The world community sees the cituation where 2 Israelis are kidnapped as bad, but not so terrible. Obviously for the world community, that isn't as "bad" as a war or as many dead Lebanese (citizens or militants).

                      Israel can not - and should not - judge its actions according to the best interests of other countries. Israel's top interest is and must be, the future safety of Israeli borders and citizens. A status quo which allows Hezbullah to attack Israel without fear - is intolerable. Israel can not judge its actions based on the interests of status quo.

                      Status quo does have the best interests of Israeli citizens.

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                      • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                        Why does Israel respond so much more viisciously to attacks on its soldiers than it does to attacks on its civilians?

                        Glad to know our Israeli friends are safe.
                        I don't think they do. If it was civilians that was kidnapped, the reaction would probably have been the same.

                        And yes, good you are safe for the moment Az, Siro & Co.
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                        • Keep drinking that Koolade, Siro. Your government benefits greatly from the low level violence. You get to use it as an excuse to continue stealing land and water from your neighbors, and preventing refugees from returning home. You will never have peace as long as you continue acting like bullies.
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                          • IDF officer: Israel has no plans to attack Syria
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                            • Good observations by Siro. This fundamental difference of perception needs mentioning more often.

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                              • Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                                Israel must react in a way which will make future terrorists think twice.


                                Yes, that's obviously worked over the past 50 years.
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