Innocent idiots beg forgiveness

[The Emperor Fabulous]

What a brilliant and brave movement. I support them with all my heart .

edit: And brain.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Are you guys all really so cynical that you'd spit on something like this, something that seems to be full of humanity and genuine emotion?

[Winston]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Are you guys all really so cynical that you'd spit on something like this, something that seems to be full of humanity and genuine emotion?

Yes, since it's also overwhelmingly stupid.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Explain what you mean.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Womanly as in emotional you wussies.

So much of what you've written in this thread is incredibly ignorant, baseless, and in some ways disturbing. It seems pointless to even get into a debate.

However, I would like to point out to you that a man who cannot examine himself, and cannot focus his energys in anything but "machismo" is the true wuss. The whole "no emotions ever" thing is so 1950s, not to mention based in fear.

[yin26]

Well, let me just ask you, Fabulous: For whom do you think these guys did this?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Themselves first and foremost as a cathartic response. Secondly for the Africans.

Nobody does anything without putting themselves first in some way shape or form. I accept that, and look past it to the message, rather than the medium.

They didn't do it only for themselves. I do think that they mean what they say and they hope to get that message across to those to whom it is directed.

This is the kind of thing that I would do.

[yin26]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Themselves first and foremost as a cathartic response.

We agree. I see this, frankly, as a response to try to exorcise themselves of "guilt." But let me ask you, are they guilty of anything?

[Lancer]

This truly is a good thing. Such pathetic forms of self humiliation have some real entertainment value.

[yin26]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Secondly for the Africans.

And you believe "the Africans" see anything else in this but the self-serving, cathartic motive you and I both agree was first and foremost? Furthermore, don't you think "the Africans" is a bit too broad of a category? Were "the Africans" stolen in their entirety from Africa?

[Japher]

and now

for the african slavers to apologize
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oh, wait, they were black. so they aren't at fault.

I forgot

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by yin26

We agree. I see this, frankly, as a response to try to exorcise themselves of "guilt." But let me ask you, are they guilty of anything?

They themselves are not. Nor have those it was directed towards themselves been victims of slavery. However, this goes beyond personal guilt.

I suggest you read "Another Country" by James Baldwin. It talks in part about the existence of the pain of slavery a hundred years after the fact. Pain that those who have descended from slaves feel. If there is still pain, there still can be guilt.

Should the Roman Catholic Church not apologize for transgretions of its past incarnations?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by yin26

And you believe "the Africans" see anything else in this but the self-serving, cathartic motive you and I both agree was first and foremost? Furthermore, don't you think "the Africans" is a bit too broad of a category? Were "the Africans" stolen in their entirety from Africa?

I was speaking specifically about those Africans that were visited.

And I hope they can see past that. Reading the article, the guy even admits that the elders of the village they went to didn't take them seriously. He says their attitude changed a bit, but it still didn't say they were accepted.

If they continue as a movement, then I can't see how its a bad thing.

[Japher]

Pain that those who have descended from slaves feel. If there is still pain, there still can be guilt.

That's a pretty bald statement open to much debate... of which I would take the position opposite yours.

Should the Roman Catholic Church not apologize for transgretions of its past incarnations?

They need to apologize for their continual beliefs which caused such events in the pass. That will never happen, because I doubt the faith cares.

[Lancer]

Are african blacks faster than american blacks?