Questions about the Bible , I ask as I read

[Az]

Originally posted by Vesayen



....most of the old testament is not in the Torah.

What?


LOL!

Torah is the first 5 books. Tanah is the entire old testament. Tanah is short for Torah, Nevi'im, Ktuvim, of course. The book of Esther is in Ktuvim, if memory serves me right.

Ester really did not happen, there is no possible historical stimulus for it. It was proboably inspired by anti sematism local to wherver the author was.

Actually, wiki mentions that there was a strong debate should the book be included in the old testament when it was sealed....

[Vesayen]

The world Torah can be used in a number of different ways, the most common one is the five books of Moses.

Using the word Torah in response to the 5 books is entirley correct.

I have to go eat, i'll be back a bit later.




Edit: When the old testament was sealed by the Christians?

I'll let another religion decide if potentially ficticious books are real, thanks .

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Vesayen


No, it does not, not in this context.

A Jew can prostate himself before G-D and that is a good thing. There is no negative or sexual conotation in the passage.

I don't think you understand what is being said.

JM

[Vesayen]

I don't think you do....

Really now, off to eat.

Back in a bit.

[Jon Miller]

prostate != prostitute

Jon Miller

[civman2000]

[Jon Miller]

In otherwords, I agree that there is no sexual connotations in the passage, but for an entirely different reason then you.

You assume some other word was meant (which means something else) because you don't know variant usages of english (some of which are mostly found in Christian (Jewish?) Religious usage).

This particular one is used elsewhere, for example in prostituting your labor (as I referenced earlier). If you read communist lit. it is used thus there with no sexual connotations, similiarly to how it is used in the Bible.

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Prostitute
1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.


tr.v. pros·ti·tut·ed, pros·ti·tut·ing, pros·ti·tutes

1. To offer (oneself or another) for sexual hire.
2. To sell (oneself or one's talent, for example) for an unworthy purpose.

pros·tate Audio pronunciation of "prostate" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prstt)
n.

The prostate gland.


adj.

Of or relating to the prostate gland.

prostate

adj : relating to the prostate gland [syn: prostatic] n : a firm partly muscular chestnut sized gland in males at the neck of the urethra; produces a viscid secretion that is the fluid part of semen [syn: prostate gland]

Main Entry: 2prostate
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or being the prostate gland

JM

[Jon Miller]

I have heard that many Jews don't consider Esther cannon (and there is good reason for that, Esther is one of the least God focused of the books of the Bible). Same I have heard about Daniel.

JM
(among books that Protestants consider Cannon)

[Az]

[Robert]

I agree with Jon on the 3rd issue.
The peopl in the Bible aren't without sins. The Bible shows their sins. I think Jacob is a good example of this. In fact all main characters in the Bible sin, but Jesus.

Besides that, it's not good for christians to copy the Old Testament or the laws of the Old Testament to our time. Firstly because we're not jews. (unless you're a christian jew of course ) and secondly because time has changed.

[Az]

I've never understood this, CyberShy. My knowledge of the teaching of jesus is admittedly rather poor, however, I don't think that there is any mention of ignoring the past rules and laws ( especially sensible since he was, after all, surrounded by other jews).

Also, I think that would be deemed to be heretical not only by the religious establishment but also by the common people. For the believing the old laws even if not clear and simple were quite clear on some bits - and there is no possible way that jesus could've gotten away with claiming them to be false - and still gaining the initial acceptance.

As to the change of times, I agree, but I think that the one of the main points of religious laws is that they're unchangeable through time - otherwise, they're not eternal as the deity. Does an omnipotent, omniscient being change it's mind? I think not.

[Vesayen]

I apologize for my own stupidity. I said prostate. I meant PROSTRATE. Intepreting that to mean prostitute is either an accidental mistranslation or an intentional one.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prostrate

A Jew could *PROSTRATE* themselves before G-D and it would be a good thing.

A Jew could *prostrate* themselves before a cannanite deity whose worship includes child sacrafice and that would be, a bad thing.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Az


To me, the healthy approach to this issue is that you should have self-respect - not allow other to trample on you.

Some, otoh, consider disrespecting others a natural continuation/improvement over simply being treated with dignity.

I dont disagree with what (I think) you mean but that has nothing to do with "honour" (at least not my version of honour).

My ***** was that the concept of honour has become politically incorrect. I live here in the southern USA in part because they have not forgotten what it is.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Vesayen
I apologize for my own stupidity. I said prostate. I meant PROSTRATE. Intepreting that to mean prostitute is either an accidental mistranslation or an intentional one.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prostrate

A Jew could *PROSTRATE* themselves before G-D and it would be a good thing.

A Jew could *prostrate* themselves before a cannanite deity whose worship includes child sacrafice and that would be, a bad thing.

Yes if you go back to the text

Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

prostrate and prostitute both work but "prostitute" would also have an implicit condemnation of the act of worshiping those gods.