Well, I'll Be Damned. Mobius, Fire Away. We Have It Coming.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, if the Bush Administation tells me Iran is trying to build nukes, I'll bet dollars to donuts it isn't. They've lied too many damn times for me to believe anything that comes out of their mouthes. They're habitual liars.

Well it's a good thing Iran can't vote...

Oops, Great Britain. I suppose you're looking for the USSR and its "invasion" of Afganistan, despite it being asked in by the government of Afganisatn to help deal with a CIA backed insurgency.

And to quote Dino: "Drugs are bad." Add China on that list for the cultural genocide in Tibet.

[mactbone]

I think it's amusing that everyone gets up in arms while a country tries to develop nukes but once they have nukes everybody just gives up on eliminating them.

Iran should just get out of the NPT. If Bush raises a stink just remind everyone about the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Sigh. Yeah but Iran grew up in the neighborhood, and has caused plenty of the strife.

And it didn't desperately need bigger weapons until the US showed up and started pushing people around.

Oh I see. I guess you've dropped that peaceful BS and have started to realize what's really happening, but still you blame Bush for Iran building a nuke program. Halfway there.

What peaceful BS? I've never seen Iran's program as peaceful. I've never questioned the fact that stopping Iran from acquiring WMD is a good thing. I've been questioning the feasibility and cost of it. Of course, if you bothered with reading comprehension, you would know this.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
IIRC, this is the exact strategy President Clinton used to keep North Korea from developing nuclear weapons.

Is that really the example you'd like to use in order to build support for this idea?

[Harry Tuttle]

I remember a bunch of hostages in Iran, so don't go saying the US fired the first shot or started shoving first. And where did you argue about feasibility and cost? All you've been saying is:

maybe if idiot boy hadn't decided getting rid of Saddam was worth jeopardizing national security for, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Casus belli or no, use of force against Iran right now is beyond retarded.

we're in this exact mess because Bush screwed up big time.

Yes, arguments galore. A real scholarly work, full of thoughts and insight.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
I remember a bunch of hostages in Iran, so don't go saying the US fired the first shot or started shoving first.

Right. Propping up the Shah's regime clearly doesn't count.

And where did you argue about feasibility and cost? All you've been saying is:

yes, arguments galore. A real scholarly work, full of thoughts and insight.

All of those statements are statements about feasibility and cost of an invasion. If US forces were not tied down in Iraq, if the US's utter inability to occupy a Middle Eastern country without the country descending into chaos hadn't been made clear in Iraq, maybe the US would be able to make credible threats regarding the use of force.

Of course, in your happy make-believe world where US power is infinite and Bush has the popular support needed to invade another decent-sized Arab country, all options are still on the table.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Ahem. Missing one. Oh wait, two. Can you guess which ones?

Oops, Great Britain. I suppose you're looking for the USSR and its "invasion" of Afganistan, despite it being asked in by the government of Afganisatn to help deal with a CIA backed insurgency.

I thought the Nediverse was delusional...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by mactbone
I think it's amusing that everyone gets up in arms while a country tries to develop nukes but once they have nukes everybody just gives up on eliminating them.

People with very powerful weapons aren't invaded much. Funny, that.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


People with very powerful weapons aren't invaded much. Funny, that.

Seems to be the point of obtaining those weapons in the first place... funny how that works, eh? :P

[mactbone]

India and Pakistan have had the bomb for how many years? Yet, no nuclear strikes. These are two countries that hate each other and yet everyone assumes that any nation without nukes is only trying to make bombs so that they can use them.

I just don't think that Iran having nukes is that big of a deal while any use of them would be tantamount to suicide. It's not good if they acquire nukes, but it's not good that any country has access to nukes.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
Of course, in your happy make-believe world where US power is infinite and Bush has the popular support needed to invade another decent-sized Arab country, all options are still on the table.

My god, another Arab country and Iran too?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Ahem. Missing one. Oh wait, two. Can you guess which ones?

Oops, Great Britain. I suppose you're looking for the USSR and its "invasion" of Afganistan, despite it being asked in by the government of Afganisatn to help deal with a CIA backed insurgency.

One pill makes you larger, one pill, makes you small...

You mean the "government" which came into being in a Soviet sponsored coup, and then "asked" the Soviet army to come in before there was even an insurgency of any kind?

[GePap]

Finally the Bush administration does something good in terms of dealing with Iran and we have people here jumping on him?

The US has few if any alternatives. BY offering nuke technology, the amdin. is actually showing they are serious about the inherent deal of the NPT, since Iran has every right to peaceful nuclear technology. If iran turns things like this down, it makes it harder for the Russians and Chinese to oppose any sanctions.

As for the war mongers, go sign up with some private security company and get sent to Iraq if you want a thrill, but don't waste my tax dollars on your testosterone fantasies.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Darius871


My god, another Arab country and Iran too?

/me isn't entirely sure very many people understand your joke here darius

[Ninot]

Originally posted by snoopy369


* snoopy369 isn't entirely sure very many people understand your joke here darius

I got it! And laughed!