When is it ok to hate someone for their politics?

[Ned]

BTW, I saw a movie last night called "Havoc." In the movie, there is a scene where the HS instructor has question on board

"Capitalism == compassion?"

The student answered the question in a typical Marxist fashion about self interest does not concern itself with ethics. The teacher applauded.

But the whole question is false as capitalism is not an ideology in the first place. It is the result of an ideology based on indvidualism and individual rights. The consequence of the latter are governments based on consent and free markets. This is what, collectively, we know as capitalism.

So the real question ought to be is whether inidividualism is compassionate. The answer here is no, obviously, as the assumption is that everyone acts in their own self interest. But still free societies create governments that act in the "common" interest so that we create institutions that care for those who cannot care for themselves. That too is part of being human. Every individual has compassion and is willing to help the unfortunate.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Simple: when their politics are motivated by hate.

This is why it's never okay to hate liberals; we ourselves don't hate -- because we don't have the balls to.

But many liberals seem to hate themselves, their country, their parents, random businesses etc. I hate them.

[Flip McWho]

The problem is, most people do not define left-right in this way.

The whole left-right thing is basically dependant on whether you want a controlled economy or an open economy. With the further left being the more controlled and the further right being the more open. However, socially speaking, the more left you are the more liberal the society, the righter, the more conservative you are. Are they both the same spectrum? No, not at all, which is why the whole left right divide thing is just stupid.

But the whole question is false as capitalism is not an ideology in the first place.

Capitalism is the result of hundreds of years of market development based on the simple factor that we want stuff and will offer something in return for this stuff. The invention of money made this process all that much more convienant. Making money of capital, is the result of life not being a zero sum game because we don't want it to be.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't hate people who disagree with my politics. It just means the're stupid.

QF ABSOLUTE T

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Sikander


But many liberals seem to hate themselves, their country, their parents, random businesses etc. I hate them.

I hate them too - and I consider myself a liberal. Not all liberals are like that, just the stupid ones.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Lancer
Thanks

We had a bit of a situation on our return flight from Hong Kong. First of all I noticed alot of arab looking guys on the plane. Secondly, there weren't any arab looking women... Then, there was a delay taking off. Finally the captain came on the intercom and asked for Mohamed Khan, Abdullah Khan, and a couple of other Khans to present themsewlves to a cabin attendant. A little while later they announced that all the bags would have to be removed from the plane for a routine security inspection. I thought about getting the family off the plane, but decided it was being dealt with by the ever efficient communist chinese. Finally, plane still filled with arabs, we took off.

I was ready. I well remember 9/11 and the change in security proceedures since then. You attack hijackers these days.

Considering the situation, I decided that we were safe until the plane approached the US, and that likely nothing would happen at all, so I slept and watch King Kong. The big ape fought three Rexes, kicked ass, and that got me psyched up for the terrorists.

After the pilot annouced our approach to San Fran, 12 hours later, I watched carefully. Two arabs positioned themselves opposite the stewardess station in front of us, and two behind, which was very close. I got ready to get medieval on the arab guy closest, and waited for them to make their move. However, it was just coincedence, they all went their own way.

I had a plastic knife from dinner, and could have killed him in seconds if they acted to take over the plane.

One wonders if the "Arabs" were asking for more peanuts.

[mrmitchell]

This is why it's never okay to hate liberals; we ourselves don't hate -- because we don't have the balls to.

Correction, balls are not required for hate

A lot of hatred actually comes from fear...

[Agathon]

The hatred of opposing football supporters > the hatred of those who profess an opposing political ideology.

[Q Classic]

Thanks

We had a bit of a situation on our return flight from Hong Kong. First of all I noticed alot of arab looking guys on the plane. Secondly, there weren't any arab looking women... Then, there was a delay taking off. Finally the captain came on the intercom and asked for Mohamed Khan, Abdullah Khan, and a couple of other Khans to present themsewlves to a cabin attendant. A little while later they announced that all the bags would have to be removed from the plane for a routine security inspection. I thought about getting the family off the plane, but decided it was being dealt with by the ever efficient communist chinese. Finally, plane still filled with arabs, we took off.

I was ready. I well remember 9/11 and the change in security proceedures since then. You attack hijackers these days.

Considering the situation, I decided that we were safe until the plane approached the US, and that likely nothing would happen at all, so I slept and watch King Kong. The big ape fought three Rexes, kicked ass, and that got me psyched up for the terrorists.

After the pilot annouced our approach to San Fran, 12 hours later, I watched carefully. Two arabs positioned themselves opposite the stewardess station in front of us, and two behind, which was very close. I got ready to get medieval on the arab guy closest, and waited for them to make their move. However, it was just coincedence, they all went their own way.

I had a plastic knife from dinner, and could have killed him in seconds if they acted to take over the plane.

Good thing I'm slanty and not betoweled. Otherwise, I'd get nasty looks like that, and I hate that. Makes me explode.

Ha-ha!

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Jeez... I hope people don't look at me on a plane and get ready to attack me.

Well, Imran, maybe you should have thought a little harder before making that lifestyle choice to become vaguely Arabic.

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But the Germans seemed to deny they knew anything about the "Final Solution." For most of us, this is just B.S.

If the Japanese public was unaware of the Imperial Japanese Army's actions throughout Asia, I'm willing to give the Germans the benefit of doubt regarding the Third Reich's actions throughout Europe.

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However, Q, I think most people hate America because of its stand on freedom, particularly, free enterprise.

Actually, I think most people hate America because of jealousy and/or historical behavior, not so much the free enterprise bit.

The left is particularly hostile to free enterprise, wouldn't you agree?

Well, since you define left-right kinda funny, I'm not sure how to answer that.
Since you're asking a more economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning person, I'd say that no, the "left" isn't particularly hostile; perhaps the economic "left" is, but again, there are varying degrees.

Much as how not all rightists think that, say, Fascism and Socialism are practically the same, not all leftists think, say, that Capitalism (or, as you frame it, Individualism) is evil.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, Imran, maybe you should have thought a little harder before making that lifestyle choice to become vaguely Arabic.

[Flip McWho]

Actually, I think most people hate America because of jealousy and/or historical behavior, not so much the free enterprise bit.

Mostly its the whole way they go about spreading peace love and freedom.

PEACE THROUGH WAR!
DEMOCRACY THROUGH WAR!

[Flip McWho]

Well, since you define left-right kinda funny, I'm not sure how to answer that.
Since you're asking a more economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning person, I'd say that no, the "left" isn't particularly hostile; perhaps the economic "left" is, but again, there are varying degrees.

Much as how not all rightists think that, say, Fascism and Socialism are practically the same, not all leftists think, say, that Capitalism (or, as you frame it, Individualism) is evil.

Aye I consider myself a somewhat libertarian socialist. The government should leave you to do whatever you want as long as you harm no other. But the economy is inherently unbalanced, its the whole point of its competitive nature so needs some good old regulation.


The real funny thing is that compared to say a hundred years ago, everybodies a freaking liberal (well virtually). Heck the free enterprise thing Ned keeps mentioning is a part of Classical Liberalism. Oh the wonderful world of political ideologies.

[Vesayen]

It is ALWAYS acceptable to hate someone for their politics.

If you choose to make this hatred visible however, is another matter all together.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Flip McWho


Aye I consider myself a somewhat libertarian socialist. The government should leave you to do whatever you want as long as you harm no other. But the economy is inherently unbalanced, its the whole point of its competitive nature so needs some good old regulation.


The real funny thing is that compared to say a hundred years ago, everybodies a freaking liberal (well virtually). Heck the free enterprise thing Ned keeps mentioning is a part of Classical Liberalism. Oh the wonderful world of political ideologies.

Yeah, I personally and somewhat socially liberal (by today's definition) and classically liberal (by yesterday's definition). But the classic liberal position seems far right compared to most of todays economic liberals, who are really Marxists or very close to his ideology.

[Lancer]

Agathon, likely the arabs were just asking for more peanuts. That's why we're all alive today.

Q, I didn't give anyone a nasty look. There was no reason to, and I hate those nasty looks too. I just observed so I would be ready.

"It is ALWAYS acceptable to hate someone for their politics.

If you choose to make this hatred visible however, is another matter all together."

Vesayan, the energy that must take! Also, that energy just feeds the dark side. Remember, your focus determines your reality. /Star Wars mode off.

Regarding the capitalism debate...capitalism is better than barterism.