When is it ok to hate someone for their politics?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Its good to be an Alpha.

And it must suck for mommy when her stupid little brats are at home.

[Arrian]

Kid, you sure have some odd thoughts on education.

Ok, so what do we do with all those kids who are unworthy of ejumacation? Can you say underclass?

-Arrian

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Economic mobility in a communist system = 0/10

Economic mobility in a capitalist system = 1/10

Proof positive that capitalistic societies are infinitely more economically mobile than communistic societies.

(1/10)/(0/10) = Infinity

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
Kid, you sure have some odd thoughts on education.

Ok, so what do we do with all those kids who are unworthy of ejumacation? Can you say underclass?

-Arrian

You can't make people smart.

[Arrian]

I guess it depends on what you mean by smart. You can educate people (which isn't the same as granting them intelligence) and you can train people to think critically. Or, failing that, train them to do a job that might earn them some money.

-Arrian

[Japher]

I think we should have trade schools starting in high school

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
I guess it depends on what you mean by smart. You can educate people (which isn't the same as granting them intelligence) and you can train people to think critically. Or, failing that, train them to do a job that might earn them some money.

-Arrian

Correction. You can TRY to educate them. You can't just decide to educate someone and be successful like you can decide to make a chair. You can make a chair, no problem, but for someone to be educated they need to already be smart and they have to be willing.

[Arrian]

The "willing" I'll give you. The smart... it depends on what you're trying to teach.

If we're talking about particle physics... well, sure. If we're talking about basic geography, for instance, not really.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
I think we should have trade schools starting in high school

Why should you go to trade school just because you are too much of a loser to go to regular school.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
The "willing" I'll give you. The smart... it depends on what you're trying to teach.

If we're talking about particle physics... well, sure. If we're talking about basic geography, for instance, not really.

-Arrian

The "willing" part is all I need. If the kid will sit there and try to learn no problem, but if he just sits and makes ****ing graffiti on his notebook then his mom should have to deal with him during the day.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Debatable and many argue that it did not.

Those people who argue that it does not are smoking crack, IMO. Without welfare or other safety nets someone who loses their job is in deep, deep trouble. Getting on their feet becomes far, far harder. We can see greater social mobility in the late 20th Century than the early 20th, a good deal because we do have safeguards in place to prevent folks from falling through the cracks.

Then you obvioulsy don't subscribe to the welfare reform theory and its positive social impacts. I think the case can be made that once governmental reliance is withheld on a large/generous scale people see the benefits of finding employment or opportunities they otherwise would be complacent to let pass by if only to subsist/live off the governmental largess.

How does this in any way pertain to the absurd idea that socialist tools are not socialist? Socialist tools are not attributes of anything, they are socialist in themselves.

When people say that universal health care is socialist, do you say, no it's a socialist tool, not socialist? Of course not, because that's ridiculous.

'Free markets' are a capitalist tool... that does not make it simply an 'attribute' of capitalism. It is capitalist in itself.

Because one does not look at a given policy within the myopic view of calling it socialist. One looks at the entirety of the governmental policy, ownership of industry etc., and determine its relative socialistic leanings. Hence France and Germany are more socialistic than the US.

Of course each and every new policy is incrementally evaluated on cost/benefit to the society, but that doesn't mean the adoption of a given social program means the entirety of the given society all of a sudden becomes socialistic. Especially when comparing to peer nations.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Japher
I think we should have trade schools starting in high school

...and also a "Life Practices" course...or some such...to teach kids how to read contracts, write checks, etc.

I have a step niece who was delighted she was getting 18% on her credit card when she couldn't get more than 3% on her savings account. This was the same one who desided she couldn't afford her car payments, so she went out a bought a cheaper car...but didn't trade in the first one.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Then you obvioulsy don't subscribe to the welfare reform theory and its positive social impacts. I think the case can be made that once governmental reliance is withheld on a large/generous scale people see the benefits of finding employment or opportunities they otherwise would be complacent to let pass by if only to subsist/live off the governmental largess.

They want to work at McDonald's

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Why not, I suppose they should be home with stupid ole mommy not learning anything about how the real world works.

Point being most times a lot more social interaction and opportunities become available when working then when stuck home unemployed.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Why not, I suppose they should be home with stupid ole mommy not learning anything about how the real world works.

Point being most times a lot more social interaction and opportunities become available when working then when stuck home unemployed.

Who says they had to stay home? No one locked them up at home. They don't have anymore opportunities now. In fact they have less, because they get less assistance in many ways, especially the type that they need. Decent child care still remains an issue.