Hirsi Ali becoming a yank - peace in Holland

[alva]

Apparently - and I have no idea wether this is official - Belgium has offered her Belgian citizenship.

[atawa]

Originally posted by alva
Apparently - and I have no idea wether this is official - Belgium has offered her Belgian citizenship.

Except for skincolour she should fit right in with VB

[Dinner]

The law needs to be enforced but it is sad to see the Islamists silence a voice of reason.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Arrian
He said atheist. I gave a top-of-my-head, gut-level response.

Do I care? Not really, no. I do care about the seperation of church and state, but I don't think having atheists in congress is critical.

-Arrian

Why not? Do you think having blacks in Congress is critical?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Falsehoods are one thing, Im not sure i buy that the name thing is really a falsehood.

And the fact that she'd been in other countries between Somalia and NL?

[DanS]

I guess I can't really hold all that stuff against her, KH. She may be ineligible for Dutch citizenship because of those facts, but I don't hold it against her.

[KrazyHorse]

I'm not "holding it against her" either. But I find the fact that so many people have crawled out of the woodwork in order to criticise Dutch immigration policy in this regard ridiculous.

You lie on the application, you get sent away. That's the only way that an immigration system (particularly the refugee section) can be run. Many of these people have so little paperwork that their histories cannot be verified in a timely manner, so the temptation to lie becomes enormous. The only factor weighing against it is the knowledge that if you lie on the application you will live the rest of your life looking over your shoulder.

[germanos]

Originally posted by DanS
I guess I can't really hold all that stuff against her, KH. She may be ineligible for Dutch citizenship because of those facts, but I don't hold it against her.

The joke is that Ayaan got into parliament on a VVD-ticket: a party that's very strict on these issues. The main reason why they are so strict is that they dispice the leftist loonies for being too lenient towards 'lies' and 'fabrications' on the immmigrants part, because the VVD fear the immigrants mostly come for economic reasons (the horror , they are coming to steal our wealth). In other words, she joined a party who DOES hold it against her and her fellow fraudulent asylum seekers.
She probably accepted the risk of the outcome now unfolding: She looked for a stage to make her case in her own bold way. This party for bold policy was a much better vehicle then the Labour Party she first worked for. She has four years to make here plea, and she was set for the US in any case by autumn this year.


LotM made a comparison earlier to (previous) US immigration: that kite doesn't really fly, as the Netherlands has never been an immigrant country like the US, Canada or Australia. The Dutch policy has ever been to prevent immigrants to get into the country (with the exemption for refugees). Dutch (and probably by a larger extent: European/Old World) immigration policy is vastly different then the New World. Whereas the New World has been in demand for immigrants for a long time, it was the Old world that got used to people leaving due to overcrowding.

It's a completely different mindset. With regulation (and enforcement) accordingly.

[DanS]

KH: I don't think the people on this thread were criticizing Dutch immigration policy. Rather, they were criticizing the Dutch judiciary for driving her out of her home.

[KrazyHorse]

I have a different sense of it...

[DanS]

It's true that the citizenship thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You lie on the application, you get sent away.

After 4 years Verdonk "discovers" this.... Yea right, this is the reason she is "expelled".