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[Kaak]

Ramo, of course humor can be offensive. I think it is offensive if it has racial slurs. But anything that takes the Nth degree of speculation and inference as to the author's intent, I would claim is not offensive. Like I said, I'll show this to my mexican friends and see what they think.

[Arrian]

You'll find out what they are willing to tell you they think, anyway...

Whether or not that is also what they're really thinking, OTOH, is questionable.

-Arrian

[Kaak]

Arrian, my political leanings are that over sensitive people that whine about everything (EI most of the population of california) should be drug out in the street and shot. Open mindedness and consideration = good. Whining and b!tching about things because they might possibly sometime maybe hurt someone's feelings is a little ridiculous. You can't try to be so accomodating that it crosses the line of reason or sense when no one is actually offended. God bless.

[Velociryx]

Ramo,

1) If you're gonna jump into the middle of the thread and pick up the slack for Team PC (which you certainly seem to be doing), then you owe it to yourself to at least READ the fvcking thread. I know full well you didn't call Kaak a racist, but you responded to comments made ABOUT previous comments in the thread where this occurred.

2) I don't think anyone said anything that facile.
Again, then you didn't read the thread. I'll be happy to haul quotes out for you if you prove to be too lazy to read on your own, however.

3) Context is important. I agree in most cases. When you call someone a racist tho, context don't much matter. Far as I know, that word only has one meaning, and it was inappropriately applied to Kaak here.

Arrian, I agree...the piece contains all sorts of exaggerations, stereotypes, and bigotted comments.

I'm not disagreeing there in the least.

In fact, NONE of my comments have been aimed at the piece itself.

I have focused exclusively on those who have called Kaak a bigot, racist, blah blah (good lord that's a lot to type every time), and who did so, wrongly. Blatantly wrongly, to the point that I read the entire thread and felt compelled to apologize on their behalf, since I knew that they weren't grown up enough to do it on their own.

And....they proved me right.

And now Ramo is here, fighting their battle, and still holding the line.

That's cool, and I'll keep going until we grind this thread to the five hundred limit.

They were wrong to call him what they did.

End of story.

-=Vel=-

[Kaak]

The only way any of this makes sense is if the PC brigade is trying to compensate for something. Whether it is your feelings, or someone in your family, or whatever, I don't know. But it's pretty clear you are over compensating. Closet Racists

[Ramo]

I know full well you didn't call Kaak a racist, but you responded to comments made ABOUT previous comments in the thread where this occurred.

Huh?

Arrian, I agree...the piece contains all sorts of exaggerations, stereotypes, and bigotted comments.

Did you chuckle at said bigotted comments in the piece?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Patroklos

The perception of the reader is far more telling than the intent of the originator when it comes to humor.

Wow what a novel concept .

Seriously

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Illegals don't get free health care any more then Americans get free health care. Most illegals don't fly flags because that attracts attention which they don't want. I really can't be bothered with the rest of that junk; it's just that stupid.

Oredin they really do get health are for free. I mean they go to the comunity hospital and give an address that may or may not exist to send the bills to and gee most dont pay them cause the address is wrong or they cant afford to so in that esence they do get free healthcare. What they do get is umm bad credit rating??? no cause they dont have a social secueity number.

[Ramo]

Ogie, perhaps you could tell me what those two quoted statements have to do with the Mexican gov't, since Pattycakes isn't here?

[Kaak]

Don't burden them with details or facts Mrs. T, actual events in real life don't fit into the world view they have set up in their little heads

[Velociryx]

Ramo:

Since you can't seem to remember how you got started here, and you can't seem to be arsed to go back and look, I'll bring the quotes to you.

Remeber this:

Vel, stop being dense. To see humour in Kaak's piece, one needs to accept certain assumptions about our society. These assumptions are ignorant and offensive (see, i.e. snoopy's post).

Well, this was in reference to one of my later attempts at gettinig Team PC to realize that the simple fact that Kaak posted a thing does not make him a racist. You replied with some clear indicators that you believe this to be the case.

From there, our back and forth banter continued to where we are now.

Did you chuckle at said bigotted comments in the piece? I chuckled at the PIECE. It contained bigotry and racism. By your definition, I am a racist too.

And again, no answers forthcoming.

Told you this would be fun!

-=Vel=-

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ramo


What is this supposed to say about the Mexican gov't's hypocrisy? Are you telling me that they ban the US flag?

No but there were widely circulated stories about areas in the US restricting displays of the US flag in response to the first set of LA demonstrations for fear of angering and inflaming the situation. Seems that might be an indication of how inane the US has become.

However in a related manner of displaying flags and demonstrating the Mexican government does prevent demonstration of noncitizens which is the meaning I took from that passage with respect to national policy.

Again my reading of the piece align more close to pattycakes. Political jabbing at failed or failing US policy not necessarily and indictment of Mexican people as a whole.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ramo
Ogie, perhaps you could tell me what those two quoted statements have to do with the Mexican gov't, since Pattycakes isn't here?

It was a central theme in my incoherent ramblings. You know different readers interpret differnt meanings. try to read or ignore, or whatever.

I also take great offense that I am tarred with the brush that says if I dared not interpret the piece as inherently racist as only the PC police here have deemed it most certainly is that means I too am racist. How retarded is that?

[Velociryx]

Ramo:

I'll make it real easy for you. It's like this:

The ONLY reason I am in this thread...the only one, is to talk about the fact that it was wrong for Team PC to call Kaak a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe, and a coward (and I may have missed one).

That's it.

That's my sole purpose for being here.

If you want to debate endlessly about the makeup of the comedic piece, or rail against it in some way, that's fine...you do that. Just don't address me in your post, cos I'm not interested in that piece of the conversation.

I could give a $hit about the piece itself, okay? I chuckled. It was cute. Ameture, but cute. Cool. I'm past it. On to something else.

If you didn't like it, that's cool too. Subjective, 'member?

So the only relevant question (for me) is: Do you agree with Team PC that Kaak is a racist, et al? If you do, then we've got lots to talk about.

If you don't, I got no quarrel with you, 'k?

It's that simple.

Really.

-=Vel=-

[Kaak]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Ramo:

Vel, stop being dense. To see humour in Kaak's piece, one needs to accept certain assumptions about our society. These assumptions are ignorant and offensive (see, i.e. snoopy's post).

as far as this goes, he presents it as true without giving anything to suggest that it is so. I don't think you need to have any assumptions or preconceived notions to think something is funny. In fact, I would propose it is usually quite the opposite. You see something that you realize is a exaggeration of your actual experience, and it strikes you as humorous. Perhaps if one had no experience, then he would have to rely on preconceived notions. So unless you can divine each person's experience, I think it is wrong to apply a label to them...