Black Hitler

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by bipolarbear
RE: The whole RATM argument

I'm a big RATM fan and have been for years.
The racial undertones are definitely there but it's more at the uber rich, and politicians (both of whom he sees as being predominantly whitey). So it's kind of a mix of class war and incidental race war.

Most of their fans probably feel the same way I imagine, since the're mostly white I think.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Az

Schicklegruber? Well, at least he didn't ruin a cool name for everybody, like bin Laden did.

Yes he did. How many babies are born Adolf these days.

I said COOL name. Adolf sounds stupid anyway.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Caligastia
Would you find these lyrics objectionable?

Of course I would, because white people aren't oppressed, and the only people who seriously claim we are are white supremicists. Unlike many of you didiots, I don't divorce content from context. Black people are oppressed on the basis of their race. White people aren't. Only an idiot would try and claim they are the same.

[Dr Strangelove]

I don't see anything objectionable in "The Black Child's Pledge". The problem with her poem are the inaccuracies. If I wanted to name 3 white people who are responsible for racism and the predicament that American black people find themselves in today it wouldn't be Columbus, Morgan and Darwin. I would name King James, he permitted the importation of slaves to Virginia, Jefferson Davis, for obvious reasons, and Strom Thurman, who was as close to being a leader of the opposition to the Civil Rights movement as any.

With a little research one could find the name of the captain who brought the first slaves to Virginia, the name of the delegate to the constitutional assembly who most ferverently demanded that slavery be permitted in the new nation, and the first leader of the KKK. There was also an antebellum South Carolina politician who was the prime mover behind the seccession movement and as such the true father of the Confederacy, but I can;t think of his name right now.

[Dis]

white people are oppressed all the time. Not because of their race of course, but for other reasons such as being gay.

Nevertheless, the point still stands. I'm getting sick and tired of people saying how good whites have it. Tell that to the gay white man beaten to death.

[Elok]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Of course I would, because white people aren't oppressed, and the only people who seriously claim we are are white supremicists. Unlike many of you didiots, I don't divorce content from context. Black people are oppressed on the basis of their race. White people aren't. Only an idiot would try and claim they are the same.

So, ah, how much crap does one's race/religion/ethnic group/sexual orientation have to take in order to earn a license to moan about it in bad poetry?

Personally, I think almost all racial identity movements are a bad idea. They just strengthen the existing "them and us" mentality. People care for other people because of the bond formed by their common humanity, in spite of superficial differences. Methinks nobody but anthropologists seriously gives a rat's arse about anybody's rich, proud and noble cultural heritage of blah blah blah. And when it comes to "defending our people," that just makes you sound like an insular bunch of separatist nuts, a group human societies instinctively respond to with vehement stompings-on.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Dis
white people are oppressed all the time. Not because of their race of course, but for other reasons such as being gay.

Nevertheless, the point still stands. I'm getting sick and tired of people saying how good whites have it. Tell that to the gay white man beaten to death.

I think you missed the "because of their race" part.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Elok
Personally, I think almost all racial identity movements are a bad idea. They just strengthen the existing "them and us" mentality. People care for other people because of the bond formed by their common humanity, in spite of superficial differences. Methinks nobody but anthropologists seriously gives a rat's arse about anybody's rich, proud and noble cultural heritage of blah blah blah. And when it comes to "defending our people," that just makes you sound like an insular bunch of separatist nuts, a group human societies instinctively respond to with vehement stompings-on.

Not necessarily. The "them and us" mentality is pretty inherent in humans. It's when you try to break it down that you usually get stomped on. That's my perception anyway.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by monolith94
Gee, she's just like Baraka, only without the talent.

Seriously, that is a pretty crappy poem.

Ditto. Utter "txt"-style doggeral...and with pretty foul content too...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Elok
I think almost all racial identity movements are a bad idea. They just strengthen the existing "them and us" mentality.

While I agree with you that the UvT mentality is detrimental in the long run, in the short run, the oppressed recognizing their common interests and the interests of an opposition group can be exceedingly useful. I'm not sure yet, whether society has reached the point where such clannishness is more of a detriment than a boon for the oppressed.

[bipolarbear]

Having never been in a major city otehr than as a tourist, I cna't really say much about the "black situation" there. I can speak for my area though it is quite white and known for it.

I don't see any oppression in my area otehr than a few dumbasses with confederate flags and **** like that. MMost of the racists are ancient old farts who don't do or say much about it other than to their friends who agree.

Che, I'd agree that yes clannisheness can be good for for the oppressed, I'm not sure about how opressed Blacks are these days.

I think they definitely face some negativve stereotypes which are, in my uninformed view, largely due to familial retardation via poverty, malnutrition, and an unstimulating environment.

It's not entirely their fault. I think in a situation of poverty (and yes I know not all blacks are in poverty) survival skils for meeting the basic needs come before other things (kind of like Maslow's pyramid). So maybe right now not get mowed down in a drive by is more important to them than achieving self actualization.

Also having Gangsta Glorifying Hip Hop doesn't help their image much or their goals. Though I wouldn't exactly blame the ills of hip hop on Balck People. To be as successful as it has, they have to have a strong white audience.

So in conclusion: Yes they are oppressed but I feel it is more of an issue of poverty than skin color at this point.
No doubt racism still exists and people still hate them based on their skin color, but I'd say it isn't the main problem facing Black people in America.

[Jon Miller]

You live in Oregon, right?

Hardly any Black people live there, in the communities that I lived in there I would only see a few a month (the pastor, a girl who was in my class for a while, etc).

While I wasn't at all racist, their was a fair number who were (although the racial tensions were mostly Hispanic/nonHispanic)

JM

[bipolarbear]

Yes Oregon, southern Oregon.
Yeah, it is mainly anti hispanic sentimetn around here and a lot of it gets really annoying. Like the dumbass at my work (Wendy's go figure) who swears he isn't racist but thinks that we should send all of the Black People back to Africa jsut because he doesn't like them. He's the same kind of guy who tells stories about how many people he's beaten up with his 1337 martial arts skillz.

And yes hardly any Black People live here. Grants Pass (a town that is within driving distance) used to be a big Klan HQ. Also the town I used to live in had a sign up during the seventies that said "All ******s be out by Sundown".

So like I said, I can't really speak for the Black Situation. Though I have seen, poverty and it seems similar to what I percieve to bethe current situation with Black People in America.

P.S.
Black people having to specify African American in stupid. Why can't we all just be American and leave it at that? I think the P.C. reign of terror generates more problems than it solves.

[Jon Miller]

yeah, one of my professors (at Chemeketa..) said that he once drove through a town that was in full Klan regalia in Oregon

JM

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Of course I would, because white people aren't oppressed, and the only people who seriously claim we are are white supremicists. Unlike many of you didiots, I don't divorce content from context. Black people are oppressed on the basis of their race. White people aren't. Only an idiot would try and claim they are the same.

Do the Whites in Zimbabwe qualify as being oppressed?