Black Hitler

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
He wasn't even Hitler then. He was little Adolf Schicklegruber. Such a nice boy. What a shame.

That's actually not true. His father was given the surname Schiklegruber at birth, but he was eventually allowed to take his father's family name, Heidler, before little Adolf was born.

[Elok]

Schicklegruber? Well, at least he didn't ruin a cool name for everybody, like bin Laden did. I think "Usama" sounds neat. Like some kind of Arabic ninja name or something. But that lousy terrorist bugger had to ruin it. I had a friend named Usama once...he was forced to go by the name "Oliver" instead (I can only assume it was his middle name or something), which sucks.

[GePap]

The piece hit my hyperbole alert in the title. That's pretty sad.

As for comparing her to Nazis or saying racism= fascism:

I don't like the poem, or the message, but there is a difference between saying "our group was oppressed, we need to stick together and fight back" and "our group is better than yours, so we have the right to end your existance". I find the comparisons to the Nazi message absurd.

Also, racism does not equal fascism. Very different things, and even in Nazism, its not just racism, but a deeper biological notion of ranking. Believing fervently in race, or that race differences matter is one step. Adding moral significance and implied superiority of one race vs another is another step, and not mandatory.

[Az]

Schicklegruber? Well, at least he didn't ruin a cool name for everybody, like bin Laden did.

Yes he did. How many babies are born Adolf these days.

[Barnabas]

You know, these people think the black man is the real man, and that the white man was created by a crazy scientist named Yaqoob in the arabian peninsula, to bring down the blacks.

Maybe that is why she is against Darwin.

[Tsar_of_Cows]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
You know, these people think the black man is the real man, and that the white man was created by a crazy scientist named Yaqoob in the arabian peninsula, to bring down the blacks.

Maybe that is why she is against Darwin.

Ok, I did recal correctly about Nation of Islam... ><

[Barnabas]

According to the Nation of Islam (NOI), Yakub (also spelled Yacub), was an evil scientist responsible for creating the white race — a "race of devils", in their view. Yakub created white people by a process of "grafting" from the original black population of the world. It took six hundred years for Yakub and his successors to fully whiten his creations. This was achieved under a despotic regime on the island of Patmos. The reasons for Yakub's actions are unclear. His progeny are destined to rule for six thousand years before the original black peoples of the world regain dominance, a process that began in 1914.

The doctrine of Yakub was first proclaimed by Wallace Fard Muhammad and was later developed by his successor Elijah Muhammad.

The name Yakub is a variant of the Semitic name referred to in European language versions of the Bible as Jacob or in modern Jewish communities as "Ya`akov". Fard Muhammad appears to have adapted the Biblical Jacob's role as the father of the tribes of Israel to reposition him as the originator of white peoples as a whole (including Jews). The idea that Jacob/Yakub was the founder of a deviant, corrupt people is probably adapted from late nineteenth and early twentieth century anti-Semitism, in which the concept of racial degeneration was commonplace. The notion that the Jews were an 'artificial' people arising from corrupt racial mixing is found in the works of Alfred Rosenberg and other racialists. Yakub's "grafting" activities seem to refer to the ideas of eugenicists, popular at the time. Though the NOI has had a history of anti-Semitism, the figure of Yakub generalizes racial antipathy to all white people, of whom Jews now form a sub-group.

In recent times, the so-called "doctrine of Yakub" has been rationalised within the NOI as an allegory for the evolution of whites from the original black-skinned human populations of Africa, and as a parable warning of the dangers of eugenics. Yakub's six hundred year experiment is seen as colorful storytelling, little different from the Bible's account of God creating Eve from Adam's rib, or the creation of heaven and earth in six days. In his autobiography (ghostwritten by Alex Haley), El-Hajj Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) notes that, in his travels in the Middle East, many Muslims reacted with shock upon their discovery of the doctrine of Yakub.

African-American Playwright Amiri Baraka wrote a play entitled "A Black Mass" based on the doctrine of Yakub.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub"

[Vince278]

[Saras]

[Az]

Did they do a South Park episode on that?

[fed1943]

"Native Americans","American Indians","Reds"are actualy Asians,non-Cinidian Group(not far from nowdays Japanese,Mongols,Tartars).
About the poem,and its "surrondings":weak and silly.
Oppressors,criminals or terrorists are just that.Not black or white,young or old,christian or muslim,or whatever.
Best regards,

[chequita guevara]

Yeah, cuz every body knows that native means actually sprang up from the ground on which they inhabited. What a ****ing dumbass.

[bipolarbear]

RE: The whole RATM argument

I'm a big RATM fan and have been for years.
The racial undertones are definitely there but it's more at the uber rich, and politicians (both of whom he sees as being predominantly whitey). So it's kind of a mix of class war and incidental race war.

Zach, the singer, was definitely a bit extremist. Most of his stuff was about the Zapatistas in Mexico and their fight for liberation and and balh blah blah. There is also the other stuff abou the system, and his father, and the evils of capitalism.

Tom Morello is a mix of black and white, Zach is of Mexican descent, and Brad the Drummer, and Tim the bassist are white.

Back to Balck Hitler:

I think that there are plenty of Klansmen and Neo Nazis who would gladly pony up the cash for people like little Autum Ashante and her followers to go to back to Africa. If the racists worked together instead of against each other then they could solve their problems much more quickly and efficiently.

If the world really is full of "racist crackers" like her daddy-o claims then surely one of them has connections to an airline or Travelocity and can get them discount one way flights back to the mother land.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
there is nothing objectionable in her lyrics.

Would you find these lyrics objectionable?

I Pledge Allegiance To My White People

I pledge to develop my mind and body to the greatest extent possible.

I will learn all that I can in order to give my best to my People in their struggle for liberation.

... I will discipline myself to direct my energies thoughtfully and constructively rather than wasting them in idle hatred.

I will train myself never to hurt or allow others to harm my White brothers and sisters ...

These principles I pledge to practice daily and to teach them to others in order to unite my People.

[Kidlicious]

I tried to explain to a female "African American" student of mine once the difference in terminology between black person, and African American. She argued with me even though she had know idea what she was talking about. She was a dumb little *****.