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  • #31
    Here it is. Choke on it. And I hope Dosanjh and Layton choke on it, literally.

    It's a little late for a debate, don't you agree?


    MacKay urges Cdns. to support soldiers

    By JIM BROWN

    Villager elder denies axe attacker was Taliban
    2nd Cdn soldier dies in Afghanistan

    OTTAWA (CP) - Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay says that despite mounting casualties in Afghanistan, Canadians should be standing behind their troops rather than questioning their deployment.

    "This is the type of mission that is demanded in this day and age," MacKay said. "Terrorism, which has its roots in Afghanistan, is something that we have committed to fight with our allies."

    MacKay said it would have been preferable if the former Liberal government had held a parliamentary vote before dispatching the first Canadian soldiers to Afghanistan in 2002, as part of a U.S.-led coalition sent to root out al-Qaida operatives and the Taliban government that had protected them.

    Now that the troops are there, the Conservatives are determined to continue down the path charted by their predecessors, said MacKay.

    "The last thing we want to show is any wavering or any backing away from the commitment of our Canadian troops. We have to be 100 per cent behind them."

    His comments came as the remains of the latest two soldiers to perish on the Afghan mission were being flown to CFB Trenton, Ont. Master Cpl. Timothy Wilson and Cpl. Paul Davis succumbed to injuries suffered when their armoured vehicle accidentally rolled over.

    A dozen others were hurt in the last week in accidents, bombings and rocket-propelled grenade attacks.

    The most seriously wounded were Cpl. Michael Loewen, who will need reconstructive surgery to save an arm after a suicide bomb attack, and Lieut. Treveor Greene, who took an axe to the head when he was ambushed at a meeting with village elders.

    New Democrats and some Liberals have been calling for a debate when the Commons resumes next month and a vote on whether to continue the mission.

    NDP Leader Jack Layton contended Sunday that the nature of the deployment has changed for the 2,200 Canadians currently in Afghanistan.

    "We certainly don't want to become involved in a protracted war," Layton said. "The goal of Canadians being in Afghanistan was in our more traditional role of peacekeeping, peacemaking."

    Ujjal Dosanjh, the new Liberal defence critic, has also maintained that the situation has changed and has pressed for renewed debate on the mission.


    That drew a sharp rebuke last week from Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who accused the Liberals of playing politics now that they're in opposition.

    "You do not send men and women into harm's way on a dangerous mission with the support of our party and other Canadians, and then decide, once they're over there, that you're not sure you should have sent them," said Harper.


    Opposition Leader Bill Graham, when he was defence minister, warned last year of the potential for casualties in operations around Kandahar, in southern Afghanistan.

    So did Gen. Rick Hillier, the chief of defence staff, who more recently has suggested it could take a decade to rebuild the country.

    It appears many Canadians either ignored the warnings or have had a change of heart since then. Opinion polls suggest declining public support for the mission in the wake of the recent casualties.

    One survey by Strategic Counsel indicated 62 per cent of respondents were against the deployment. Another poll by Ipsos-Reid, with questions framed differently, found 52 per cent support for the mission, but that was down from 66 per cent in 2002.

    The first Canadian contingent dispatched four years ago engaged in combat operations. Starting in 2003, however, the Canadian focus shifted to much less dangerous patrol duties in the capital of Kabul.

    That has changed again with the move to Kandahar, where Canadians again face a hostile environment and renewed attacks by insurgents.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by KrazyHorse
      Oh, and my DanSing is because you're a confusing bastard. Instead of driving straight to a point you use generic terms for all your enemies and force me to work backwards through your thought process. Just come out and state your concerns...
      Pfft.

      Don't be afraid of what you post.

      If you're wrong, live with it.

      Weenie.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by KrazyHorse
        The last poll I saw put substantial opposition to Afghanistan up there (indicated desire to pull troops out immediately by a significant minority)
        So now the Liberals ask for a debate?

        And the NDP?

        Both your parties are going down the crapper, so I wouldn't be surprised no matter what the mouth pieces said, but still...

        A little loyalty and decency would commend your souls.
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        • #34
          One survey by Strategic Counsel indicated 62 per cent of respondents were against the deployment. Another poll by Ipsos-Reid, with questions framed differently, found 52 per cent support for the mission, but that was down from 66 per cent in 2002.


          But it's all the media's fault, right NYE?

          Oh, and a big to Dosanjh and whatever bright boys among the Grits let him do that. I get a feeling that party discipline ain't what it used to be, now that they're minus one leader. As far as the NDP goes, at least their position has remained a constant. Wrong, but constant.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by notyoueither


            So now the Liberals ask for a debate?

            And the NDP?

            Both your parties are going down the crapper, so I wouldn;t be surprised no matter what the mouth pieces said, but still...

            A little loyalty and decency would commend your souls.
            The NDP's been gunning to end Afghanistan since it started, son. That ain't new. The Liberals' position is two-faced. If they had any sense they'd have kept their mouths shut, but they're in more than a bit of confusion right now...
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            • #36
              It's largely the fault of the media, yes.

              Their fault for letting Martin get off with bull**** about 'peacekeeping' when our boys and girls were going into combat.

              The time for a debate was a long time ago, and the media gave no clue that there should be one to counter the Mr Rogers reports of the then government.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by notyoueither
                It's largely the fault of the media, yes.

                Their fault for letting Martin get off with bull**** about 'peacekeeping' when our boiys and girks were going into combat.

                The time for a debate was a long time ago, and the media gave no clue that there should be one to counter the Mr Rogers reports of the then government.
                This is pathetic. Opposition to Afghanistan when it started was minuscule. The media therefore didn't bring it up. Now it's not minuscule, and the media does bring it up. There's no ****ing conspiracy. They just follow public opinion to a large extent.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                  The NDP's been gunning to end Afghanistan since it started, son. That ain't new. The Liberals' position is two-faced. If they had any sense they'd have kept their mouths shut, but they're in more than a bit of confusion right now...
                  And the NDP ain't gonna be forming anything other than a rear guard for the left in Parliament for a very long time to come, son.

                  The real issue is the Libelars and their media lackeys who suddenly spin stories differently when there is a Conservative government inheriting a Libelar commitment.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                    This is pathetic. Opposition to Afghanistan when it started was minuscule. The media therefore didn't bring it up. Now it's not minuscule, and the media does bring it up. There's no ****ing conspiracy. They just follow public opinion to a large extent.
                    Did they report we were going into combat, and not handing out passes to Mr Rogers neighbourhood?

                    No?

                    I didn't think so.
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                    • #40
                      And the NDP ain't gonna be forming anything other than a rear guard for the left in Parliament for a very long time to come, son.


                      Debatable and irrelevant
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by notyoueither


                        Did they report we were going into combat, and not handing out passes to Mr Rogers neighbourhood?

                        No?

                        I didn't think so.
                        Er, yeah, they did...
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                        • #42
                          The entire criticism of what we have now is based on the fact we didn't debate what we were going into.

                          Tell me how the media reported accurately what the pros and cons were.
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                          • #43
                            Remember, these boys and girls have covered blood baths from Korea and later.

                            Tell me where and when the media were sending up the warning shots that Canada was heading into a real war.

                            The coverage was more that of us leading a boy scout jamboree, if you ask me.
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                            • #44
                              The Libelars, and the media ****ed up.

                              That is plain to see.

                              Don't try to hang it on the new occupants of the house.

                              They have the mess to clean up.
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                              • #45
                                I am not Canadian.But please allow me to say this:
                                Canadian people has all the right to decide when and where to fight terrorism;now and near the places where English trained them(said but truth)OR a little later and in Canadian territory.
                                Best regards,

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