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Originally posted by PLATO
che, one would hope that even you could recognize the strong possibillity of civil war if the US were to pull out before a stong Iraqi force is ready.
So we should stay there until this possibility goes away? When is that going to be? 2007? 2008? 2020? 2100?
There will be a civil war. There will be no strong Iraqi force. The best solution is a three state solution, but it's not on the table, and won't be until a civil war is fought.
Right now, we're strengthening the opposition by our presence, including the jihadists. We need to leave. It's in everyone's best interests . . . except al-Qaeda.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Originally posted by techumseh
"elected representatives" ? Don't make me laugh!
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Originally posted by PLATO
It is interesting how so many "get out now!" folks tend to disregard the will of the Iraqi people acting through their elected representatives, isn't it?
A) They haven't had elected representatives all that long.
B) There is substantial eveidence of vote fraud.
C) Politicians frequently ignore the wishes of their electorate. You live in America and you don't understand this? Sometimes I even wonder what the point of voting is, since all we do is put in another group of people who will ignore us.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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A. No representative has asked us to leave, regardless of how long they have been in power.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Originally posted by PLATO
It is interesting how so many "get out now!" folks tend to disregard the will of the Iraqi people acting through their elected representatives, isn't it?
A) They haven't had elected representatives all that long.
B) There is substantial eveidence of vote fraud.
C) Politicians frequently ignore the wishes of their electorate. You live in America and you don't understand this? Sometimes I even wonder what the point of voting is, since all we do is put in another group of people who will ignore us.
B. I thought international observers certified the elections. An unusual circumstance if there was widespread fraud.
C. Not to likely in this case given the type of support that the candidates had and the amount of sectional loyalty they have demonstrated."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Oh..and not to mention the probable bloodbath that the Iraqi people probably don't want and realize would probably happen.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Many things additionally depend on how you ask the questions:
"Do you want the oppressive occupiers out of the country?"
"Yes"
"If the stabilizing military force were to leave the country and the result would be years of bloody civil war, or if they left in a few years with a stable and prosperous government in place, which would you prefer?"
"STAY!""I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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The dumbest thing would be for Bush to say we aren't pulling out because of all the problems in doing so and then Bush goes ahead and does it anyway for political reasons. It'd be far better, when we do pull out for another administration to do so. Otherwise, the US just looks like even bigger ******.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I would agree with this. It is also quite unlikely that the Iraqi forces will be ready before a new administration is in place.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The dumbest thing would be for Bush to say we aren't pulling out because of all the problems in doing so and then Bush goes ahead and does it anyway for political reasons. It'd be far better, when we do pull out for another administration to do so. Otherwise, the US just looks like even bigger ******."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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explain the humor. I didn't get the joke.Originally posted by techumseh
"elected representatives" ? Don't make me laugh!Comment
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The Iraqi "government" has no more legitimacy than the government of Manchukuo did in the '30s and '40s. It is the joke.Originally posted by Geronimo
explain the humor. I didn't get the joke.Comment
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Originally posted by techumseh
The Iraqi "government" has no more legitimacy than the government of Manchukuo did in the '30s and '40s. It is the joke.Comment
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Given that Manchukuo never had any elections of any kind for any level of government, it would seem that either your assertion is false or that you believe that an elected government is no more legitimate than an unelected one. For the record are you saying that elected governments are no more legitimate than unelected ones, that Manchukuo indeed had elections, or that Iraq has not had elections?Originally posted by techumseh
The Iraqi "government" has no more legitimacy than the government of Manchukuo did in the '30s and '40s. It is the joke.Comment
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That is a ridiculous post. What do you base that on? There were multiple opposing parties and an extremely high voter turnout. What would it take for you to "declare" a legitimate government?Originally posted by techumseh
The Iraqi "government" has no more legitimacy than the government of Manchukuo did in the '30s and '40s. It is the joke."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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QFTOriginally posted by PLATO
That is a ridiculous post. What do you base that on? There were multiple opposing parties and an extremely high voter turnout. What would it take for you to "declare" a legitimate government?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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