Iraqi insurgent groups confident of victory - Report.

[techumseh]

From the Asian Times: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB17Ak01.html

All groups appear to have become more confident over the past year, according to the report, which noted that their optimism is not only noticeable in their official communiques but in more spontaneous expressions by militants and sympathizers on Internet chat sites and elsewhere.

Initially, according to the report, they perceived the US presence as extremely difficult to remove, "but that no longer is the case".

"Today, the prospect of an outright victory and a swift withdrawal of foreign forces has crystallized, bolstered by the US's perceived loss of legitimacy and apparent vacillation, its periodic announcement of troop redeployments, the precipitous decline in domestic support for the war and heightened calls by prominent politicians for a rapid withdrawal," the report states.

Moreover, "when the US leaves, the insurgents do not doubt that Iraq's security forces and institutions would quickly collapse".

[chequita guevara]

They should be. We're going to pull out.

[KrazyHorse]

If you do, and Iraq collapses, then you're a bunch of good for nothing pussies.

[Whoha]

3 state solution

boy are those sunnis ****ed when we do leave.

[Dr Strangelove]

I don't forsee a 3 state solution. The Sunnis have wronged the Shia far too long for the Shia to sign off on a seperation agreement and then walk away. When the US leaves the Sunnis will fall back on their old habits, assuming that they can dominate the Shia, and then the Shia will proceed to wipe them out.

[Apocalypse]

We should just put Sadam back in power to restore order /Michael Savage

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If you do, and Iraq collapses, then you're a bunch of good for nothing pussies.

I was against being there, the Iraqis don't want us there, we shouldn't be there. I don't see why both countries should continue to suffer the idiocy of a group that siezed power in the U.S. illegally.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
If you do, and Iraq collapses, then you're a bunch of good for nothing pussies.

I was against being there, the Iraqis don't want us there, we shouldn't be there. I don't see why both countries should continue to suffer the idiocy of a group that siezed power in the U.S. illegally.

a) Bull****, seized power illegally
b) The US as a country has a responsibility to Iraq. **** you (again, as a country) if you don't carry though.

[chequita guevara]

A) The fraud which resulted in Bush's taking office is well-documented and well known.

B) The Iraqi people want us to leave, Shiite and Sunni alike. We have a responsibility to get out. We don't belong there, even if we did break it. The only reason we stay is because we're afraid of looking like we were defeated.

[PLATO]

I have to agree with KrazyHorse on both a and b.

che's support of a probable bloodbath in Iraq is appalling.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The only reason we stay is because we're afraid of looking like we were defeated.

That may be (or may not be) the reason that your leaders choose to stay there.

That is not the only reason you should stay there.

[chequita guevara]

We should stay there against the will of the majority of Iraqis?

A blood bath is happening now. We aren't stopping it. We're just adding to it and getting some of our own killed in the process. It is ruining our country. It is ruining their country. It is the most collosal mistake we've made in the last half century. We can't fix it.

The best thing we can do is get out of the way and stop serving as a pole of attraction for the insurgency.

[PLATO]

che, one would hope that even you could recognize the strong possibillity of civil war if the US were to pull out before a stong Iraqi force is ready. What is happening now is bloody, but nothing compared to what such a civil war would bring. The only hope of these people is for us to stay until there is a cohesive force to hold the country together.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
We should stay there against the will of the majority of Iraqis?

Have their legitimately elected representatives asked you to leave yet?

Then yes, you should stay. Public policy is not conducted by a referendum.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Have their legitimately elected representatives asked you to leave yet?

It is interesting how so many "get out now!" folks tend to disregard the will of the Iraqi people acting through their elected representatives, isn't it?