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Dick Cheney pops a Cap in a Hunter says he is sorry
Reportedly the lawyer didn't announce his presence after leaving the group.
It's not like there is one single story getting reported about this.
Come on man; be honest. If Cheney had bothered to look at where he was pointing is bloody rifle then he would have noticed a man was not a quail. It's not like the two look remotely alike. He clearly just didn't look before he shot and that's a bad thing.
Originally posted by Timexwatch
Anyone besides Oerdin read Kos? The latest theory is that Cheney was drinking and that may have lead to it. I don't see how one beer a couple of hours beforehand would affect any man his age.
When did I say he was drunk? I recall saying that people were reportedly drinking alcohol and that is never a responsible thing when fire arms were involved. The worst part has been the White Houses attempts to blame the victim and attempting to bury the story. Neither is a crime but both show the exactly the what type of morals the people involved have.
Further more I don't remember anyone, certainly not myself, claiming that Cheney did it on purpose or that he wasn't sorry for doing it. I most certainly stand by the fact that responsible hunters look at what they are shooting before they pull the trigger and that people who don't do that shouldn't be allowed to have hunting licences.
Some people are just ridiculous. Using the VP's actual grief (and yes, I do believe he is sad over this) as something to attack the administration over.
I have no love for the Bush Administration, but this is just far too low, even for some on this site.
I still can't believe that people are asking whether it was really a mistake? Has knee-jerk Bush hating made them lost their humanity? Is it like the dark side of the force?
Maybe you missed the part where he originally blamed the victim for coming out of the woods. It wasn't until later that he changed his tune.
I do appreciate people buying into his act though, he is pretty slick. Well rehearsed and well done.
You want to talk about taking advantage of people, how about Cheney being irresonsible and not reporting it, even senior aides within the administration itself have reported that the way this was handled was irresponsible.
And what kind of dumbass shoots another man by mistake? I mean how in the hell do you mistake another human being for a quail? Always check where your guys are that's just common knowledge.
Certain mistakes are forgivable. Shooting someone "accidentally" is not.
But then again we have people around here that don't care when innocent people get bombed "by mistake" as long as junior Al Queda assistant to the assistant junior manager of sanitation MAYBE dies.
Cheney should get his ass reamed over this.
On top of that after a repeated string of f'ups you come to expect the worse. He only manned up after getting called out on it.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Come on man; be honest. If Cheney had bothered to look at where he was pointing is bloody rifle then he would have noticed a man was not a quail. It's not like the two look remotely alike. He clearly just didn't look before he shot and that's a bad thing.
This is the bottom line.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
Some people are just ridiculous. Using the VP's actual grief (and yes, I do believe he is sad over this) as something to attack the administration over.
I have no love for the Bush Administration, but this is just far too low, even for some on this site.
I still can't believe that people are asking whether it was really a mistake? Has knee-jerk Bush hating made them lost their humanity? Is it like the dark side of the force?
I'm surprised by your naivete, Imran. Cheney's initial response was to hold back on the release of the information, then, after coaching the owner of the ranch to blame the victim, he released the story to the local paper - only. He then went into virtual hiding, leaving the White House press secretary to deflect questions and make jokes about the situation.
Only when a media storm threatened the already shakey popularity of the administration and the shooting victim suffered a "minor heart attack", did Cheney surface with a puff-ball interview with the pro-Bush Fox network. In the interview, he did what he had steadfastly refused to do for several days, to whit: take reponsibility, show remorse, and appologize.
Now, there are two possible explanations for this. One is that Dick Chaney was sincerly more worried about his friend than his own political ass, but he just made some mistakes in how he handled the situation and this was siezed upon by his political enemies and a hostile media.
The other explanation is that after refusing to take responsibilty for his own actions, attempting to blame his victim and stonewall the public and media, the White House realized that they were following a losing strategy, whereupon the highly skilled and highly paid media strategists in the service of the administration advised a new strategy. This involved the granting of an interview to a friendly and safe media outlet, in which the Vice-President did what the public and media was demanding, which was to take responsibility and apologize, while showing the humanity and compassion that had been notably absent until then.
I dunno, Imran, but maybe I'm just cynical. Or maybe you're just in denial.
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Yep, he's using this whole incident to try and sound like an actual human
You know after originally blaming the guy he shot in the first place
Probably if nobody criticized him that afternoon he would have stuck to the original story
Why the hell did he shoot him? That's not like a SMALL mistake to make. I mean the dude was hunting quail, is he trigger happy or what???
The dude launched an illegal invasion based off of weapons of mass destruction that wasn't there so what's to stop him from shooting someone whena quail wasn't there same prinicple.
You get smaller every day.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
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Sorry guys - who here has hunted? I have hunted with children as young as nine, and never, I repeat never, had anything ever happen remotely like this. With small game, in my case squirrel and rabbit, you NEVER take a shot unless you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN what you are shooting. Period. I have skipped dozens of shots over that exact point. There are virtually no accidents when hunting, just individuals who do not follow the proper safety protocols. You can also call them careless.
An individual with two DUI's on record, who then stonewalled the investigation by the local police, would VERY likely find themselves charged with Criminal Negligence. I have also been fined what in today's money would be over $500 for being on the wrong side of a road (maybe 200 yards) in West Virginia huning bear. And I had the *&#$ stamp no less (the road was winding and a local decided to call the game warden after given the dumb yankee wrong directions - I was dating a local girl and they didn't like that). Not having a stamp is a substantial fine.
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Have to agree with Mr. Harley as a previous hunter as well.
No excuse for the action other than the VP absolutely screwed up. Likewise no excuse for the chicken**** lack of personal responsibility shown in the immediate response by VP.
Face it I would happily crucify the likes of any of the Demonrats for similar actions and I fully well recognize it.
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Originally posted by Mr. Harley
Sorry guys - who here has hunted? I have hunted with children as young as nine, and never, I repeat never, had anything ever happen remotely like this. With small game, in my case squirrel and rabbit, you NEVER take a shot unless you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN what you are shooting. Period. I have skipped dozens of shots over that exact point. There are virtually no accidents when hunting, just individuals who do not follow the proper safety protocols. You can also call them careless.
QFT. While rarely going hunting, i take walks with substantial firepower carried and have been trained when i was quite young to never fire unless intending to hit. This would never happen to me, frankly. Careless is a good summary.
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I have hunted with children as young as nine, and never, I repeat never, had anything ever happen remotely like this. With small game, in my case squirrel and rabbit, you NEVER take a shot unless you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN what you are shooting. Period. I have skipped dozens of shots over that exact point. There are virtually no accidents when hunting, just individuals who do not follow the proper safety protocols. You can also call them careless.
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