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    City looks at taming Red Mile
    Last updated Nov 29 2005 10:55 AM MST
    CBC News
    City council is considering a cap on the number of bars allowed on the Red Mile, with some aldermen worried that it could turn into a new Electric Avenue.

    Ald. Madeleine King says the number of complaints about noise, crowds and debris on 17th Avenue is increasing, and the city needs to look at implementing controls before there is a serious problem.

    "I don't want to get rid of [bars] all together," she said. "I want to make sure that we can keep it as a lively place, balanced along with a reasonable quality of life."

    In the 1990s, 11th Avenue SW was packed with bars and clubs and, under the name Electric Avenue, became famous as the place to party. But violent incidents began to plague the strip, which eventually returned to retail space.

    In recent years, 17th Avenue has become the hub, attracting crowds during Stampede and during the 2004 Flames playoff run, where it was dubbed the Red Mile.

    Ald. Ric McIver says the city has to be careful to not take the fun out of Calgary.

    "We've got to stop killing party places when they come up," he said. "We have to manage them and that's what I'm hoping to find, management rather than killing party places.

    "Because I think Calgarians want to play and we want other people from away from Calgary to come here as a destination to play."

    Area residents are divided on the idea. Some, like Brenda Chisholm, says a limit would be good because the street is already too loud on weekends.

    But others, such as Shelley Kuitunen, say the area's liveliness is part of its appeal.

    "People want to go out and have a good time," Kuitunen said. "I don't think it's necessarily the number of bars in the area that is causing the violence or whatever. It's the fact that this is downtown and this is where things happen."

    City administration has been asked to return to council in two weeks with an estimate on the cost of a report into limiting the number of bars and clubs.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #62
      Back on topic...I love the high dollar - it will keep expenses down when I go to NY for a week in February.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Asher

        Please, Ottawa is worse. The amount of politicians and press is sickening, not to mention the utterly retarded Ottawa tourism ads they show at the beginning of EVERY movie.

        Nobody tours Ottawa because it's boring.
        Whatever. Its not like you ever see these politicians.

        Ottawa is the perfect balance. It has everything a major city has (because its the capital), but minus the overcrowding, crime, etc...

        And boring? Thats rich coming from a Calgarian.

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        • #64
          There's a lot more to do in the Calgary area on any given weekend than in Ottawa.

          We also don't have the crime or overcrowding. We also have a booming economy, the rocky mountains, low taxes, and fresher air.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • #65
            Originally posted by dejon
            Ottawa is fine to visit, but not for long, or for living. It has next to zero night life - everything shuts down mid-evening. Aside from the nice market and the Senators, it's a dead zone. Bunch of boring bureaucrats.
            Thats bull. A city isn't measured by its night life - unless you just turned 19. Sure things close a bit early, but so what, its not the end of the world.

            Everyone I've met who has moved to Ottawa loves it. And everyone I've met who has visited the city has loved it too.

            In fact, the only people I've met who don't like Ottawa have been Torontonians.

            So there you go, Asher. You're no better than a Torontonian

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Asher
              There's a lot more to do in the Calgary area on any given weekend than in Ottawa.
              Doubt it.

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              • #67
                I think if you asked people in Calgary what they thought of Ottawa, the response would be even more negative than Torotonians.

                Maybe you just don't get out much. Ottawa has zero redeeming features and many strikes against it (because it is the capital).

                Everyone knows the most pathetic cities are picked for capitals (Edmonton, Ottawa, Washington DC, etc)
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                  Doubt it.


                  Are you sware of the tourism industry here?

                  I guarantee you southern Alberta does way more tourism than the Ottawa area.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Asher



                    Are you sware of the tourism industry here?

                    I guarantee you southern Alberta does way more tourism than the Ottawa area.
                    Are you aware of the tourism industry here?

                    Ottawa gets approx. 7 million visitors per year, while Calgary gets a paltry 5 million. And Calgary is a bigger city.




                    pwned.

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                    • #70
                      Excuse me (and my wife) for being in our 30's and still having a life.

                      I have friends living in Ottawa who quite like it - and they make their own fun. But it's not my bag, and though I usually loathe to agree with Asher, I think our perspective is not unique in Canada. You'll hear the same thing from about Ottawa from Montreal to Vancouver.

                      Oh, and I haven't been in Toronto long enough (this is our 4th winter) to become a Leafs fan, I don't consider myself a Torontonian - I'm still a Vancouverite.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


                        Are you aware of the tourism industry here?

                        Ottawa gets approx. 7 million visitors per year, while Calgary gets a paltry 5 million. And Calgary is a bigger city.




                        pwned.
                        Calgary region has ~1M and Ottawa region has ~1.4M.

                        I also highly doubt Ottawa gets 7 million visitors a year. They probably count every politician who comes and goes.

                        That numbers smells strongly of inflation.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


                          Are you aware of the tourism industry here?

                          Ottawa gets approx. 7 million visitors per year, while Calgary gets a paltry 5 million. And Calgary is a bigger city.




                          pwned.
                          Calgary, with nothing more than the Stampede to offer gets only 2 mill. less visitors a year than the national capital?! You just pwned yourself.

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                          • #73
                            Edit: Doing some research it appears most of those visitors (3.3 million) are to Casinos?



                            Visitors from neighboring towns coming to gamble don't count.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by dejon
                              Excuse me (and my wife) for being in our 30's and still having a life.

                              I have friends living in Ottawa who quite like it - and they make their own fun. But it's not my bag, and though I usually loathe to agree with Asher, I think our perspective is not unique in Canada. You'll hear the same thing from about Ottawa from Montreal to Vancouver.

                              Oh, and I haven't been in Toronto long enough (this is our 4th winter) to become a Leafs fan, I don't consider myself a Torontonian - I'm still a Vancouverite.
                              Bars close at about 2:30am. Yes, thats earlier than most places but it still doesn't mean you can't have a night out. People just go out earlier. And the Byward Market is packed with tons of great clubs, bars, pubs, etc, etc...

                              But there is more to a city than bars.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by dejon
                                Calgary, with nothing more than the Stampede to offer gets only 2 mill. less visitors a year than the national capital?! You just pwned yourself.
                                Keep in mind Ottawa is within easy driving distance of most of Canada, and Calgary is in the middle of nowhere. People usually have to fly here for touring.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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