Pentagon strike.

[Capt Dizle]

The lid was never off Serb's theoretical coffin. The bones did not so much as rattle, nor did the spirits moan.

At best, Serb's glazed eyes told his herb sated brain of a glimmer in the moonlight, lying, to conceal the dampness of a droplet of virginal fluid, a precusor of manhood near but unrealized.

IN OTHER WORDS GROW UP AND BE A MAN!

[techumseh]

What?

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by techumseh
What?

Serb can't see the plane despite the many photos of debris inside the building and fragments all over the area. I can only conclude that he is suffering from the blindness associated with adolesent masturbation. I prescribe sex with a woman and a cigarette.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
The lid was never off Serb's theoretical coffin. The bones did not so much as rattle, nor did the spirits moan.

At best, Serb's glazed eyes told his herb sated brain of a glimmer in the moonlight, lying, to conceal the dampness of a droplet of virginal fluid, a precusor of manhood near but unrealized.

You show quite a bit of literary talent there.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Vince278


You show quite a bit of literary talent there.

Are you hiring? I do all sorts of unusual work. Do you keep a diary? I ghostwrite diaries for a reasonable fee.

I do suicide notes for a flat fee and throw in the obituary.

One of my specialties is writing letters to the editor for my neighbors. Cept, I don't tell them about it. No charge.

I once wrote a letter to one of the deacons of my church, expressing my disappointment in him for having an affair with one of the married ladies in the church. Sealed it, stamped it, and dropped it in the prayer room during revival week. That one I didn't sign. Money would have been a sparse reward compared to the entertainment value of the ruckas that raised.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle


Serb can't see the plane despite the many photos of debris inside the building and fragments all over the area.

1) Serb is not alone in his blindness and wasn't the first one who noticed that the plane crush site looks very unusual.
2) Untill the last moment there was only one photo of supposed debris (made hell knows when) and dozens of photos made just after the crush which shows no sign of the debris.

I can only conclude that he is suffering from the blindness associated with adolesent masturbation. I prescribe sex with a woman and a cigarette.

Oh boy, I had more women than you probably had a chance to talk to. I was a really bad boy untill I got married two years ago. Now I'm absolutely happy in marriage and don't think I will ever have a sex with another woman, becuase my wife is the best female on this planet. But my sexual life is non of you concern, so please, just f*ck-off. And I am a smoker for nearly 12 years.
p.s. I think I can be pretty good in retaliation to personal attacks, let's stop it here, OK?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Geronimo


Such as what lesson?

that explosions cannot pulverize solid aluminum?

YES. The lessons which explain that amount of energy educed via expolsion of Boeing's fuel tanks is not enough to incenerate over 120 tons of metal.

that small but macroscopic (solid) pieces of aluminum cannot burn in a non oxygen enriched atmosphere in the presence of burning powdered aluminum? (see for yourself, but be careful)

No, the lessons which exlain that over 120 tons of metal cannot be pulverized to macroscopic pieces due to explosion of fuel tanks.

Specifically under what circumstances do you agree that aluminum can burn?

Aluminium burns in oxygen (notice, oxygen, not air) at temperatures between 3000-3200 C. But it's irrelevant for your theory of incineration of entire plane, because when aluminum burns it generates aluminum oxide - an hevy, extremely toxic smoke, which is deadly even in low concentration. No such smoke we can see on the pictures, nor anyone among firefighters or civilians has been poisoned with it, as far as I know.

Keep in mind that molten (melted) aluminum is explosively reactive with water and of course within minutes of the impact fire crews were spraying water into the impact site.

If get you correctly (forgive me my English), you think there were explosions when firefighters started to spraying a water?
And please, explain to me what kind of alluminum was there, according to you - pulverized (as you claimed earlier) or melted (as you claim now)?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Vince278
Serb.

Vince

1. That no debris was found at the Twin Towers doesn't mean aircraft did not hit them. Why is no debris at the Pentagon so surprising?

Because of:
1) I've seen with my own eyes how planes hit both WTC buildings.
2) I didn't see how plane hit the Pentagon building. And the experession I have after watching the only video evidence we have, is that the object which hit Pentagon was smaller than the Boeing plane.
3) Aside WTC case, all other video tapes of the impact have been confiscated by FBI and never released. If they do not want the public to see those tapes, it means they hide something. Simple as that.
4) WTC buildings completely collapsed and they were much taller and bigger than the Pentagon. It was much harder to find the debris.

2. Both black boxes were found at the Pentagon crash site. Perhaps you believe they were removed from the plane then planted at the Pentagon?

1) Never heard about that.
2) Even if they were found, then why they weren't released?
3) What is the point to hide black boxes and surveillance camera tapes, if they prove that Pentagon was indeed hit by a Boeing?

3. Have an explanation that doesn't sound as crazy as the conspiracy theories?

My point from the begging was to show that the official version of the event have many inaccuracies and very doubtfull at best, not make my own theories.

I worked there up to the year before 9/11. How familiar are you with the Pentagon?

I've build the Pentagon several times at my Civ3 games.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb

YES. The lessons which explain that amount of energy educed via expolsion of Boeing's fuel tanks is not enough to incenerate over 120 tons of metal.


No, the lessons which exlain that over 120 tons of metal cannot be pulverized to macroscopic pieces due to explosion of fuel tanks.


Aluminium burns in oxygen (notice, oxygen, not air) at temperatures between 3000-3200 C. But it's irrelevant for your theory of incineration of entire plane, because when aluminum burns it generates aluminum oxide - an hevy, extremely toxic smoke, which is deadly even in low concentration. No such smoke we can see on the pictures, nor anyone among firefighters or civilians has been poisoned with it, as far as I know.


If get you correctly (forgive me my English), you think there were explosions when firefighters started to spraying a water?
And please, explain to me what kind of alluminum was there, according to you - pulverized (as you claimed earlier) or melted (as you claim now)?

I suppose with the photos showing a large amount of debris over the pentagon lawn further discussion of the role incineration of aluminum could play in the absence of of expected debris amounts to flogging a dead horse.

But for the record, I recognized that incineration of the entire aircraft was implausible. Second, I'll state that I was considering the possibility of the immediate blast pulverizing the fuselage enough for large amounts of it to immediately burn in fireball and I'll state that I imagined that even more of the non pulverized aluminum could have melted in the hot blaze that followed and explosively reacted with the water from the fire fighting effort. Though i seriously doubt there would be any single 'explosion' large enough to be noticeable through all the obscuring smoke, water, and debris of the building. Third, firefighters are routinely exposed to all manner of nasty poisonous smoke and vapors and they are equipped and trained to take necessary precautions against such possibilities even before identifying a particular threat.

Given the amount of debris that is visible however, I don't think incineration needs to be invoked to explain anything.

[Serb]

Have no time to reply the rest, have to celabrate the new year.
:beer:
Happy New Year, flame warriors. See you in 2006.

[Vince278]

Serb: Find the plane in this photo. Conspiracy?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I find it absolutely amazing that anyone still takes this conspiracy theory even slightly seriously. Anti-Americanism really makes people believe dumb things.

considering how many people are still denying an event that was witnessed by hundreds of thousands of survivors, by hundreds of perpetrators and bystanders, and that is abundantly documented, how could an event like the attack on the pentagon NOT be subject to similar denial?

[JohnT]

True, dat.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Vince278
Serb: Find the plane in this photo. Conspiracy?

Whatever happened to that guy?

[JohnT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust