Pentagon strike.

[DinoDoc]

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[Velociryx]

I do like the glass in the windows, since it's commonly cited that the fire burned so hot that it could melt the steel beams holding the building upright.

Very talented fire, though, since it had the good graces not to melt (nor shatter) the much more fragile glass just above the point at which the couple hundred ton jetliner impacted the building.

Mark that down as another....oddity.

-=Vel=-

[DinoDoc]

Damn it. The pic isn't showing. Here it is:

[Velociryx]

That's....a pretty small boeing 747, DD.

I agree it's got Boeing's colors, but I got a shirt that's got Boeing's colors.

And I never said it wasn't a plane....I just don't think it's our missing 747.

I'm not making any claims at all about what it is...only what it does not appear to be.

-=Vel=-

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Still wondering about the wings, Ecthy?

5) Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site):

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb
Did you find any Boeings on that picture? Engines? Wings? Tail? ANYTHING?
Have you noticed glass in Pentagon's widows?

I've seen pictures of a mutilated engine that was recovered from deep within the pentagon, but I don't remember any high speed fully fueled crashes in which the wings of a commercial airliner somehow survived the crash in any sort of recognizable form. Remember that the fuel bladders of an airliner are located in the wings and unless the pilot prepares for the imminent crash by dumping the fuel the fireball following impact is going to totally obliterate those wings. As for the tail, in some crashes it is thrown clear in recognizable form and in others it tumbles forward into the fireball where it essentially vanishes. The amount of recognizable fuselage debris is tightly related to the amount of fuel in the plane at impact and to the speed of the impact.

Very very few plane crashes involve high speed fully fueled impacts. The high speed might (seemingly paradoxially) explain the absence of ground damage. If the plane is going fast enough we might expect it to 'skip' off a level surface like the helipad without disrupting it. This can be seen when a bullet skips off a surface at a very shallow glancing angle and the paint on that surface is not even scratched.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb

Oh, really?
Aluminium DOESN'T BURN at atmospheric conditions.

it certainly does!

all that is needed is either very high temperatures or small enough pieces (high surface area). The explosion of a fully fueled airliner easily provides both.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Damn it. The pic isn't showing. Here it is:

Ha. This is THE ONLY PICTURE YOU HAVE. The picture of piece of crap of unknown origin. I have plenty of photos where there are no signs of debris. When you'll understand that is big parts of the plane, such as engines and TAIL that so far always survived any crash, what give us the proof of the plane being there, not a single small part, which could be planted later. Why this little peice of crap survived while die hard pieces of euqipment such as engines or tail (which is less affected by the explosion) DIDN'T.
WHERE IS THE TAIL, ENGINES and remains of WINGS?
GIVE me these photos and I'll admit it was a Boeing. It's pretty simple, really. Please, do it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
5) Can you explain what happened to the wings of the aircraft and why they caused no damage?

As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site):

A broken recorder reapating government propaganda for dumbasses.
I've checked this link long time ago. Give me something new, something more believable.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb

Ha. This is THE ONLY PICTURE YOU HAVE. The picture of piece of crap of unknown origin. I have plenty of photos where there are no signs of debris. When you'll understand that is big parts of the plane, such as engines and TAIL that so far always survived any crash, what give us the proof of the plane being there, not a single small part, which could be planted later. Why this little peice of crap survived while die hard pieces of euqipment such as engines or tail (which is less affected by the explosion) DIDN'T.
WHERE IS THE TAIL, ENGINES and remains of WINGS?
GIVE me these photos and I'll admit it was a Boeing. It's pretty simple, really. Please, do it.

serb can you post an authoritative link stating that large recognizable portions of large aircraft always survive crashes? I suspect your impression results from seeing the results of inummerable low velocity and or low fuel impacts. The fraction of crashes which occur at high speed with lots of fuel remaining onboard is really quite small.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Why this little peice of crap survived while die hard pieces of euqipment such as engines or tail (which is less affected by the explosion) DIDN'T.

As a U.S. Army press release noted back on 26 September 2001, one engine of the aircraft punched a 12-foot hole through the wall of the second ring:

On the inside wall of the second ring of the Pentagon, a nearly circular hole, about 12-feet wide, allows light to pour into the building from an internal service alley. An aircraft engine punched the hole out on its last flight after being broken loose from its moorings on the plane. The result became a huge vent for the subsequent explosion and fire. Signs of fire and black smoke now ring the outside of the jagged-edged hole.

WHERE IS .... WINGS?

As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Geronimo


it certainly does!

It certainly doesn't.

all that is needed is either very high temperatures or small enough pieces (high surface area). The explosion of a fully fueled airliner easily provides both.

I was not in aware that Boeing planes made from the ALUMINUM POWDER, not the solid aluminum and its alloys. Good try. Now, all you have to do is to explain to us how the hell Boeing's fuselage became an ALUMINUM POWDER and then incinerated.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb

It certainly doesn't.



I was not in aware that Boeing planes made from the ALUMINUM POWDER, not the solid aluminum and its alloys. Good try. Now, all you have to do is to explain to us how the hell Boeing's fuselage became an ALUMINUM POWDER and then incinerated.

Boeing doesnt make planes out of aluminum powder but fully fueled explosions during high speed impacts certainly manufacture aluminum powder from airplanes! The higher the temperature of the fireball the less surface area is required to ignite the aluminum. Also the incineration of aluminum breifly increases the heat of the fireball. shred up an aluminum can, put the pieces in a mortar with a little aluminum powder, ignite the powder and watch it burn the bits of pop can to ash along with the powder (use a welding mask since the fire is bright enough to blind).

[Capt Dizle]

Serb, the burden of proof is on those who would have us believe in this conspiracy. Your photos provide no evidence of what you would have us believe.

[Colon™]

Re the glass, hasn't it occured to anyone that since we're talking about the heart of US' military complex they just might use ticker glass than is the case in an ordinary house?

Countless additional injuries were prevented because new windows in the renovated section were "blast-resistant" and did not explode into flying glass splinters, because new fire sprinklers operated as designed, and because alert personnel turned off power and utilities to the affected areas before evacuating.

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-2.html