Arnold must decide if killer is executed

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Dis
And I'm getting sick of these hollywood celebrities. they think just because he's a black man, he doesn't have to serve the sentence for his crimes?

I think liberal america is carrying around a lot of guilt for being white. And they are overcompensating by going soft on people we should not be going soft on. And I'm talking about murderers here (not black people)

Amen!

Now

Next one bring them forth

26 years
is too long

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
A man was murdered last night.

Call it what you want, murder is murder, no matter who is doing it.

The streets of LA are no safer because this man was murdered. To all you out of staters who have opinions about it, you don't live here, so get lost.

This serves no purpose other than revenge, and that's it.

I hope you guys are happy.

awwww

your really a fun type of dude..most of the time Ted

This waste of humanity got his reward

an eye for an eye

well

he got an eye for 4 peoples lives

I was thinking

we dont know who might or might not murder due to having the death penalty


as reported earlier. we took a white boy out in Raleigh a short time ago

They both got what they deserved, their lives taken away

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
To all you out of staters who have opinions about it, you don't live here, so get lost.

Ok

[Dis]

that's bull****. Because the crips operate inside my city. therefore it is my business what goes on in California.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Dis
that's bull****. Because the crips operate inside my city. therefore it is my business what goes on in California.

Crips


History

In 1969, a Los Angeles youth named Raymond Washington, 15, organized a group of other neighborhood youths and started a gang called the Baby Avenues. The Baby Avenues wanted to emulate a gang of older youths who had been involved in gang activity since 1964 and provided minor crimes for the Black Panthers of Los Angeles. This gang was called the Avenue Boys since they claimed their turf on Central Avenue in East Los Angeles. Raymond Washington, along with Stanley "Tookie" Williams and several other gang members from the Baby Avenues Gang were fascinated with the hype of the Black Panthers and they wanted to develop the Baby Avenues gang into a larger force. The Baby Avenues Gang began using the name Avenues Cribs since members lived on the avenue (Central Avenue). Crib members would wear blue scarves (now called bandannas) around their necks or heads. The color blue became their representative color.

In 1971, the use of the word 'Crip' had become so common among the Avenues Cribs that it became an acceptable name for the gang. Meanwhile, Raymond Washington and his collection of young gang members influenced other area youth gangs resulting in the formation of many Crip sets. Some of these sets included Avalon Garden Crips, Eastside Crips, Inglewood Crips and Westside Crips. Crips gangs were violent and constantly expanded their turf. Because of their aggression, several rival gangs joined forces as a gang collective called the Bloods. They adopted the color Red as their representative color. A fierce rivalry between these two gangs existed throughout the 1970's and 80's. By the early 1980's, Crips gangs were heavily involved in the drug trade that they commenced an expansion throughout the United States to sell a new drug product called "Crack". Throughout the 1980's and 1990's the Crips developed intricate networks and a respected reputation with other gangs across America and neighboring countries.


Development


During the 1980's, several Crip gangs (and Bloods) developed in a Central American Country known as Belize (formerly British Honduras). These gangsters migrated heavily to the United States during the late 1980's, especially throughout the West Coast and East Coast States like New York, New Jersey, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. In 1989, several large Belizean families arrived in New York in the neighborhood of Harlem. The youth from these families, and some adults, were members of the Crips Gang in Belize. They created the Harlem Mafia Crips in New York City and helped establish several other Crip gangs such as the Rolling 30's Crips, 92 Hoover Crips and Rolling 60's Crips by 1995. During the late 1990's, Crip gangs were well established in New York, New Jersey, North Carolina, Georgia, Connecticut, Florida, Pennsylvania and other East Coast regions.


Crip members initiate into the gang by committing a crime in front of gang witnesses. The initiation process is called 'Loc'ing'-In. Female members have the option to commit a crime or become Sexed-In (Sex with several older members). Crips on the East Coast wear blue and clear beads or blue and white beads around their neck but mostly blue jeans and a white shirt. East Coast Crips affiliate with the Folk Nation gangs and have adopted the Folk Nation Symbols. They are enemies with the Bloods.



Just so we all know a little about the Crips

[Kataphraktoi]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
A man was murdered last night.

Call it what you want, murder is murder, no matter who is doing it.

The streets of LA are no safer because this man was murdered. To all you out of staters who have opinions about it, you don't live here, so get lost.

This serves no purpose other than revenge, and that's it.

I hope you guys are happy.

pathetic only so few here sees this for what it is. i consider myself pro-capitol punishment...this was murder

revenge

[Dis]

there's no doubt that revenge plays a part of it.

This is just the way our society is. But being black does not exempt this man from the death penalty. You have people here arguing for reverse- affirmitive action.

[Grandpa Troll]

Maybe its the cultural thingey.."YO"

But our laws say Murder = Death Penalty then we carry out the law


When I was a kid a teenager I was raised with outlaw motorcycle gangs and I have to tell you these are not nice people a lot of the time

they have death squads and enforcement strongarms

I wonder how many people here havee been affiliated with a gang?

These folks do murders as a pledge

kinda like, for you college pukes, like a fraternity requirement

The death penalty is societies way of saying you won the door prize

you killed and were found guilty so time to collect

I am amazed at people, I am amaed at folks who maybe have never been through a heinous crime scene or seen the trauma and turmoil of a family with a member murdered?

well, just beyond me why anyone would care a bit for this fella that "MURDERED 4 Innocents"


maybe stringing 'em up in towns square to reemind people what awaits you when you murder



ohhh..

so sorry

Merry Christmas

[DinoDoc]

WTH? Europeans are crazy.

Williams' Execution Angers Many in Europe
Tuesday, December 13, 2005

VIENNA, Austria — California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told the press. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity."

Capital punishment is illegal throughout the European Union, and many Europeans consider state-sponsored executions to be barbaric. Those feelings were amplified in the case of Williams, due to the apparent remorse they believe the Crips gang co-founder showed by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs and violence.

Leaders of Austria's pacifist Green Party went as far as to call for Schwarzenegger to be stripped of his Austrian citizenship — a demand that was quickly rejected by Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel despite his government's opposition to the death penalty.

"Whoever, out of political calculation, allows the death of a person rehabilitated in such an exemplary manner has rejected the basic values of Austrian society," said Peter Pilz, a Greens leader.

In Schwarzenegger's hometown of Graz, local Greens said they would file a petition to remove his name from the southern city's sports stadium. A Christian political group went even further, suggesting it be renamed the "Stanley Tookie Williams Stadium."

"Mr. Williams had converted, and unlike Mr. Schwarzenegger, opposed every form of violence," said Richard Schadauer, the chairman of the Association of Christianity and Social Democracy.

Williams was executed early Tuesday at California's San Quentin State Prison after Schwarzenegger denied Williams' request for clemency. Schwarzenegger suggested that Williams' supposed change of heart was not genuine because he had not shown any real remorse for the killings committed by the Crips.

Criticism came quickly from many quarters, including the Socialist Party in France, where the death penalty was abolished in 1981.

"I am proud to be a Frenchman," party spokesman Julien Dray told RTL radio. "I am proud to live in France, in a country where we don't execute somebody 21 years later."

"Schwarzenegger has a lot of muscles, but apparently not much heart," Dray said.

In Italy, the country's chapter of Amnesty International called the execution "a cold-blooded murder."

"His execution is a slap in the face to the principle of rehabilitation of inmates, an inhumane and inclement act toward a person who, with his exemplary behavior and his activity in favor of street kids, had become an important figure and a symbol of hope for many youths," the group said.

In Germany, Volker Beck, a leading member of the opposition Greens party, expressed disappointment. "Schwarzenegger's decision is a cowardly decision," Beck told the Netzeitung online newspaper.

From London, Clive Stafford-Smith, a human rights attorney specializing in death penalty cases, called the execution "very sad."

"He was twice as old as when they sentenced him to die, and he certainly wasn't the same person that he was when he was sentenced," Stafford-Smith said.

Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni said the city would keep Williams in its memory the next time it celebrates a victory against the death penalty somewhere in the world.

Rome's Colosseum, once the arena for deadly gladiator combat and executions, has become a symbol of Italy's anti-death penalty stance. Since 1999, the monument has been bathed in golden light every time a death sentence is commuted somewhere in the world or a country abolishes capital punishment.

"I hope there will be such an occasion soon," Veltroni said in a statement. "When it happens, we will do it with a special thought for Tookie."

[Dis]

yeah they want to revoke Arnold's citizenship to Austria. Craziness.

If anything, they should have done it after he made the movie: Junior.

[snoopy369]

hehe

I'm highly disturbed by the local media coverage of this (Chicago). Basically it has been "Stan might not be guilty", and not "This guy is responsible for dozens of murders and helped found one of the biggest gangs out there". Reformed or not, he committed horrible crimes against L.A. and this nation, and deserves to be punished.

I wouldn't mind if they objected to capital punishment in general; but they focus on the 'Free ___' line and don't bother with the "evil b#$%$#" line

[Dis]

What strikes me is how these people are so sure he's innocent.

It's more than that though. It's how people think this guy is the greatest guy on earth because he wrote children's books and put on an act that he was reformed. It may have been genuine, but these people had no way of knowing. I know, I'm a cynic. But anybody can act a certain way in public. Politicians do it all the time.

[Winston]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
WTH? Europeans are crazy.

The most vocal lefties in Europe are a bunch of morons, uneducated on most of the subjects they try to lecture their surroundings on.

The Catholic Church has other issues.

Both of those groups would do well to recognize and respect the law given by the people, even when we're talking the big ferocious monster that is the United States.

[Pyrodrew]

an important figure and a symbol of hope for many youths

I find it hard to believe a convicted murderer is a symbol of hope for youths. The pool of role models isn't that bad.

A Christian political group went even further, suggesting it be renamed the "Stanley Tookie Williams Stadium."

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


awwww

your really a fun type of dude..most of the time Ted

This waste of humanity got his reward

an eye for an eye

well

he got an eye for 4 peoples lives

I was thinking

we dont know who might or might not murder due to having the death penalty


as reported earlier. we took a white boy out in Raleigh a short time ago

They both got what they deserved, their lives taken away

You seem to be enjoying the whole thing a little too much.