Islamic Revolution in Denmark!!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Just out of curiosity, why Denmark? Why in the world would some guy living a thousabd miles away in the middle east single out Denmark as the staging area for his Islamic revolution?

One of the reasons that some people fear the inevitability of an Islamic take over is the continual rise in their proportion of the population in some European countries. As native populations experience a slow gradual fall the Muslim segment is actually growing from immigreation and natural birth.

There is also the utterly ruthless tactics used by Islamic groups in recent years. They're willing to committ suicide in order to take out a number of the enemy. How does one fight such tactics unless one is willing to sink to their level? If radical Islamic groups ever sincerely take up the crusade to seize control of Europe and use these tactics God only knows whether the liberal tolerant European culture that you take for granted will survive, because the only way to win against such tactics is to sink to their level. You would have to throw away your legal code and wage a war of attrition. Even if you won it would be difficult to return to the way things were before.

You don't sink to such a level to defeat it, you rise above it. In this case to high altitude where you drop large hydrogen bombs.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking

I don't believe the Celts used horses when they pushed accross Europe 4000 years ago; Iron-working was their advantage.

The Laps and Suomi also likely pre-European.

Its imprortant to remember that assimilation is not genocide. Celtic peoples assimilated with Mediteranean/Etruscans to form Romans; some "Celts" were dark and short, others fair, red-haired and tall. The Mycenaeans assimilated with the Greeks, and so forth.

The Celts had horses and used chariots in battle early on. They even had a horse goddess, Epona iirc. After the chariot became obsolete some may have abandoned the horse for fighting, particularly in mountainous areas where mounted combat is more restricted.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Oerdin
People also forget about the pre-indo-European people of Europe. Today only the Basques remain but someone was there before them. Since the Indo-Europeans started in south-eastern Europe and Central Asia and horses were first domesticated in that area at that time it is speculated that Indo-Europeans were the ones to domesticate horses. The use of horses as military weapons along with farming and metal working allowed Indo-Europeans to conquor just about everything from Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey (later conquored by a non-Indo-European group; the Turks) and Europe. The current theory is that pre-Indo-European people in those areas were hunter gathers or at least had less productive farms (no draft animals to till soil and farming by hand is less productive) so the Indo-Europeans had a more dense population and a major military advantage. It's likely the domesticated animals also produced diseases which hunter gathers or even farmers without domesticated animals wouldn't have resistence to.

That would be why Indo-Europeans replaced the people in a vast area of the world while Basques are the only pre-Indo-Europeans left in the conquored area.

There's precious little evidence that the Europeans wiped anyone out. There is a big difference in the death of a language and the death of a lineage.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Sikander


You don't sink to such a level to defeat it, you rise above it. In this case to high altitude where you drop large hydrogen bombs.

Well, if the Islamic Jihad resorts to the sort of tactics in Europe that are being used in Iraq, with the same intensity H bombs won't do any good, because the aggressor will live in your neighborhood, and you won't even know who he is. A similar condition exists today. The remaining al-Qaeda are headquarted in Pakistan, our ally, so we can't touch them. Even if we could we'd have to use tactics that are outside the law in order to root them out.

[The Mad Viking]

Please posit a step-by-step scenario as to how an Islamic Jahid takes over control of a country - pick either Denmark or France.

Keep in mind that there is nothing stopping suicide bombers right now. In fact, suicide bombers are essentially impossible to stop, other than by luck.

What limits suicide bombers is a desperate shortage of initial supply, coupled with the prickly problem of one-time usage only!

Given a severe shortage of people willing to die for the cause of freeing their native country of foreign oppression, consider how hard it will be to get them to die for the cause of overthrowing a foreign country.

Then make the leap from terrorist to ruling elite.

Terrorism is the weapon of the weak. They can never conquer anybody.

The real "terrorists" are leaders who frighten their citizens with the notion that you should be afraid of the terrorist bogeyman.

It is total rubbish. There are at least a hundred more significant threats to deal with. Maybe a thousand.

[our_man]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
Terrorism is the weapon of the weak. They can never conquer anybody.

The Taliban would beg to differ.

[Az]

What limits suicide bombers is a desperate shortage of initial supply

not true. actually there are tons of those.

[Datajack Franit]

Please posit a step-by-step scenario as to how an Islamic Jahid takes over control of a country - pick either Denmark or France.

1- massive immigration from muslim countries to the western world

2- fundamentalist muslims form as a way of rebellion against western decadence/Palestine/Iraqi-Kosovo-whatever occupation

3- proselitism among 2nd generation muslims fueled by Saudi Arabian's wahabism

4- creation of terrorist cells and supporters scattered all over major european cities

5- gathering funds by selling drugs, providing passports, illegal bank activities

6- terror cells are ready to strike and cause massive casualties

7- public opinion gets heavily prejudiced against muslim population, racist acts rise- moderate muslim either migrate or become more likely to support radical Islam as a form of reaction to hate crimes rising

8- proselitism increase among native population, either becoming fascinated by the new upcoming religion or just as a form of rebellion against the western world (muslim convertion rate in Britain doubled after 9/11)

9- 2015/2020 Turkey joins the European Union

10- 2025- Islam is the second official religion of the EU

11- 2040-2060 Romiyya is conquered

[Sandman]

1- massive immigration from muslim countries to the western world

The thing is, Muslims only make up 40% of immigrants to the EU. What about all the other, non-Muslim immigrants?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Sandman


The thing is, Muslims only make up 40% of immigrants to the EU. What about all the other, non-Muslim immigrants?

There is a difference. Alle the germs, duchies, poles, norwegians, swedes, hungarians, froggies, jews, vietnamese, chinese, koreans etc has integrated/assimilated without problems. That is not the case with muslim immigrants maybe excepted by Bosnians.

[Sandman]

Even if we can presume that's the case, it still means that an EU Caliphate is pretty damn unlikely, doesn't it?

[germanos]

Originally posted by our_man


The Taliban would beg to differ.

Suicide bombing played any role in the conquest of Afghanistan by the Taliban?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sandman
Even if we can presume that's the case, it still means that an EU Caliphate is pretty damn unlikely, doesn't it?

[semisarcastic mode on]

Well, lots of the non-muslims are from africa right? Where the muslims are trying to kill or convert non-muslims - see islams bloody frontiers in Sudan, Ivory Coast, Kano state of Nigeria, etc. And Britains non-muslim immigrants include Hindus from India - who are slated for submission to the caliphate. Etc, etc.

[semisarcastic mode off]

Of course lots of that stuff is A. Very iffy and B. Hard to imagine succeeding in say, the next 50 years. But then the whole scenario is hard to pull off in the next 50 years, anyway.



{semi sarcastic mode back on}

But then maybe you should be worried about immigration of fundie Protestants from Africa and the West Indies, who will force you to submit to the new Fundie-Taliban empire forming here in the States

[germanos]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit

2025- Islam is the second official religion of the EU

What's the first

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sandman
Even if we can presume that's the case, it still means that an EU Caliphate is pretty damn unlikely, doesn't it?

seriously, I would say the problem is not the unlikely one of the EU caliphate forming, but the things that some Jihadis will do in the unrealistic belief they can bring it about.