Islamic Revolution in Denmark!!

[our_man]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
There is also the utterly ruthless tactics used by Islamic groups in recent years. They're willing to committ suicide in order to take out a number of the enemy. How does one fight such tactics unless one is willing to sink to their level? If radical Islamic groups ever sincerely take up the crusade to seize control of Europe and use these tactics God only knows whether the liberal tolerant European culture that you take for granted will survive, because the only way to win against such tactics is to sink to their level. You would have to throw away your legal code and wage a war of attrition. Even if you won it would be difficult to return to the way things were before.

As I said, Western (European) civilization is slow to react to crises - it takes a while for us to get our ass into gear, but once we do...

The veneer of civilization is only skin deep, even in the sophisticated countries of Europe. Our barbaric identity is only lightly subsumed below the surface. Thankfully, it doesn't surface often anymore. Let's remember; no other group of countries has been as successful at genocide as the European powers (sadly). It's not our finest moment but those are the facts. If pushed I believe that European society would mentally accommodate the changes necessary for conflict.

Yes, it's true; we would have to sink to a morally dubious level to completely negate Islamic terrorism but at the end of the day it's all relative. Great Britain was hardly a shining beacon of liberty in WW2, but compared to Hitler's Germany it's policies were beneficent. After the battle was won things could return to the way they were - as you say it wouldn't be easy, but it can be done. Look again at WW2 as an example. We wouldn't quite have to sink to their level to win, but we'd have to surrender a few of our principles for a while.

What I can't understand why these terrorists are trying to promote a clash of civilizations between the West and Islam. It makes no sense - with the West's overwhelming superiority we could wipe Islam off the face of the planet if we truly got upset enough. Bizarre. Momma always said don't pick fights you can't win.

Thankfully, I can't see anything like this happening in the future, as people like Sammy Bin Laden and Datajack Fruit still represent the fringe views of society.

[Az]

Let's remember; no other group of countries has been as successful at genocide as the European powers (sadly).

I am a jew, and I don't think this is true. Considering the amount of technology and organization, europe's genocides are often quite weak.

I mean, take a look at Rwanda - now that's success - and low budget, too!

[our_man]

Yes, the Rwandans are to applauded for their ingenuity for acheiving their success in a non-industrialized setting.

[Az]

I think they managed a million and a half, was it, with rifles and bushknives in numbered weeks.

Germans? created an entire industry of death, still something around 8-9 million total dead in deathcamps, in two years.

Though the machines and systems can be cruel, and genocidal, it seems that the old-school human approach is so much more ruthless, and thorough.

[BlackCat]

One reason that Denmark has entered the radar of these fanatics could be that a danish newspaper has published 12 drawings of mohammad wich have had some strange reactions. The reason the did it was that a local book publisher only could find artists that wanted to be anonymyous when they sholud draw a pic of same.

The effect of the drawings was of course a lot of debate wheter it was ok for a newspaper to do that; some 3.000 people making a legal demonstration against it and some eleven muslim countries demanding our PM should more or less close the newspaper.

Sadly one of those was Turkey. Their demand certainly doesn't help their way into EU.

I've found a couple of the drawings - no 1:

[BlackCat]

And no 2:

[Tattila the Hun]

Well, that's the basic image I have of Islam... And their leaders seldomly give cause to adjust my view.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Az
I mean, take a look at Rwanda - now that's success - and low budget, too!

I guess we should start outsourcing our genocides to Rwanda then

[Datajack Franit]

ach I left this thread too early, it was surely getting funny.

Your faith in your country/culture/religion is pathetic. You seem to believe Islam is this unstoppable force and everyone will slowly convert or die. Do you jump if you see a women in a burqa walk down the street? Perhaps if people like you in the West had more confidence (don't confuse this with complaceny) in our civilization this pervasive sense of the inevitable victory of Islam wouldn't exist. In Ireland at least conversion goes both ways (albeit it's usually women that seem to become Christian and men that become Muslim).

Yes, they are called Apostates of Islam and are usually forced to live under cover far away from family and anybody that may recognize them, as converting from Islam to any other religion is a big and a death sentence by the whole muslim community

When you get down to it, Western civilization has been the dominant kid on the block for several hundred years, and the Muslims aren't going to change that. If any civilization is a threat to Western hegemony it's China, but no, people like you consider the 'Muslim invasion' to be the defining struggle of our times. You give them far more credit than they're worth.

I give them the credit of being a demographic and a cultural powerhouse, while the entire Western world is actually more concerned about downloading the last Crazy Frog ringtone and marching for peace agaisnt the US and Israeli occupation of oppressed muslims worldwide

If there ever were a significant Islamic threat to the interests of the West, enough to stir the population as a whole, I have no doubt that it would be neutralised very effectively. History has shown that the Western democracies are slow to rise to a challenge but once they do, they cannot be stopped

So far there were several major challenges against the muslim world in the last 1000 years, which were the Crusades, the Reconquista of Spain (approximately 718-1512) the capture of Constantinople (1453) and the siege of Vienna (1529). You can tell by yourself that the only successful battles were the last two of this list. I don't need to tell you what happened to other non-muslim countries that lost their wars against the expanding Islam world

But of course, Islam is a religion of peace

[Chemical Ollie]

I want pictures! If not with tits and ass, then with TITS AND ASS!

[Chemical Ollie]

And, just for your knowledge, Sibel is in the same music class as some girls in my music club

[Dinner]

Let's remember; no other group of countries has been as successful at genocide as the European powers (sadly).

Everyone forgets about the east Asian expansion. Formerly, Negritos where the dominant ethnic group from eastern India to Australia via Indonesia. Today there are only tiny vestial populations of negritos in places like Burma, Thailand, Indochina, the Phillipines, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Negritos remain the dominant ethnic group in New Guinea while the Australian aboriginese are a group decended from that same negrito population. Why aren't there more negritos today? What happened to all the negrito hunter gathers which used to make up the population of southeast Asia and why are there east Asian people there now?

The anwser is that east Asian farmers came in with germs and steel weapons and they pretty much exterminated the negrito hunter gathers. Just like the native Americans germs did most of the hard work since farmers with domesticated animals had denser populations and lots of germs which hunter gathers did not have. Next to the European replacement of native Americans the east Asian replacement of negritos is the largest population wipe out in history.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit

So far there were several major challenges against the muslim world in the last 1000 years, which were the Crusades, the Reconquista of Spain (approximately 718-1512) the capture of Constantinople (1453) and the siege of Vienna (1529). You can tell by yourself that the only successful battles were the last two of this list. I don't need to tell you what happened to other non-muslim countries that lost their wars against the expanding Islam world

But of course, Islam is a religion of peace

Huh? IIRC opposite sides won the last two on the list. Constantinople was a victory for Islam, while the Siege of Vienna was a victory for Christendom.

Muslims conquered virtually all of India and had possession for over 200 years, yet were only able to convert 20% of the population. Likewise, when the French and English extended their conflict for world domination to Egypt in 1799 they found that a surprising 50% of the population of Egypt and Palestine were non-Muslim. In fact, the intrusion of Europeans into the heart of Islam was one of the seminal events of muslim history. It triggered a fundamentalist reaction throughout the Ottoman empire. Conservative elements throughout the empire demanded the exclusion of foreign elements from their realm and began persecuting Christiams and Jews with taxes so heavy as to be nearly genocidal. Under such pressure the population of Egypt and Palestine became 90% muslim by 1850, when the west forced the doors to the middle east open again.

[our_man]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
So far there were several major challenges against the muslim world in the last 1000 years, which were the Crusades, the Reconquista of Spain (approximately 718-1512) the capture of Constantinople (1453) and the siege of Vienna (1529). You can tell by yourself that the only successful battles were the last two of this list. I don't need to tell you what happened to other non-muslim countries that lost their wars against the expanding Islam world

Actually, please do.

[Dinner]

People also forget about the pre-indo-European people of Europe. Today only the Basques remain but someone was there before them. Since the Indo-Europeans started in south-eastern Europe and Central Asia and horses were first domesticated in that area at that time it is speculated that Indo-Europeans were the ones to domesticate horses. The use of horses as military weapons along with farming and metal working allowed Indo-Europeans to conquor just about everything from Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey (later conquored by a non-Indo-European group; the Turks) and Europe. The current theory is that pre-Indo-European people in those areas were hunter gathers or at least had less productive farms (no draft animals to till soil and farming by hand is less productive) so the Indo-Europeans had a more dense population and a major military advantage. It's likely the domesticated animals also produced diseases which hunter gathers or even farmers without domesticated animals wouldn't have resistence to.

That would be why Indo-Europeans replaced the people in a vast area of the world while Basques are the only pre-Indo-Europeans left in the conquored area.