Bush Administration wants an exception for CIA to commit torture

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
And?

And?

[DinoDoc]

Sorry. I figured you had a point with the post. Mea culpa.

[Alexander's Horse]

Bush said in Panama yesterday WE DO NOT TORTURE.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
It's funny when Reactionaries know they're wrong and pwn3d, they will attempt to:

1) Attack the person as having something wrong with them (almost always a moral issue)

2) Try and establish inconsistency of thought even when it lacks context or makes no sense whatsoever (This can also be a part of number one)

Somehow they think if they sidetrack the issue to the person involved it will make it go away. But it just makes them look desparate.

Almost prescient, but you ascribe these traits to the wrong side.

Originally posted by Ramo
I only care about the secrecy of CIA operations when said CIA operation is morally (and legally, but that's a secondary concern) valid. Plame was involved in gathering information to prevent WMD's proliferation, while these secret prisons are ways for Dear Leader to usurp due process. Plame was outed to smear her husband because he called the Administration on its lies, while these prisons were likely outed to bring about the end of such an egregious breach of everything that we should stand for. I know this is an alien thought to right wing hacks like yourself, but some people actually like the idea of due process.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Bush said in Panama yesterday WE DO NOT TORTURE.

Ted, I owe you an apology. Apparently we do have a systematic approach to torture.

[Kuciwalker]

[lord of the mark]

Re: GOP senator criticizes White House torture stance

Originally posted by Ted Striker
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A leading Republican senator said Sunday that the Bush administration is making "a terrible mistake" in opposing a congressional ban on torture and other inhuman treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, considered a potential presidential candidate in 2008, said many Republican senators support the ban proposed by Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/....ap/index.html

according the WaPo theres considerable support within the admin for accepting the McCain bill - from Rice and State, from DoD, both civilians and brass, and from the NSC. According to WaPo its Cheney whos in determined opposition.

[Ramo]

Almost prescient, but you ascribe these traits to the wrong side.

Yawn. I responded in kind after Drake got personal. After the second time, actually.

And since when has "usurping due process is immoral" become a personal attack?

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sikander


Ted, I owe you an apology. Apparently we do have a systematic approach to torture.

Yes, you do, considering the accuracy of previous bold statements from the same person:

1) Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

2) Al Queda was working with Saddam on September 11th

AND finally:

3) "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!"



Thanks

[Ted Striker]

Re: Re: GOP senator criticizes White House torture stance

Originally posted by lord of the mark


according the WaPo theres considerable support within the admin for accepting the McCain bill - from Rice and State, from DoD, both civilians and brass, and from the NSC. According to WaPo its Cheney whos in determined opposition.

You know he is the VICE President, so it shouldn't matter, since the President should have the overriding vision for how we conduct ourselves on the world stage.

Oh wait...

[Kuciwalker]

Would you prefer that?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
So exposing covert CIA operations is ok as long as you agree with the results. Thought so.

Exposing illegal activities is generally a good thing. Exposing an agent doing their job isn't. Indeed, whistleblowing on illegal activities often results in immunity/protection for the whistleblower, as it's encouraged by law, whereas there are lots of libel actions against newpapers and anyone else who exposes non-illegal activities.

Seems quite simple really, it's not about agreeing with the results, it's about whether the activities are legal.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Would you prefer that?

It would be a hard pick


Incompetence vs. calculated, destructive ruthlessness


Since they can't seem to decide which one is in charge we are left with the sum of Incompetence + destructive ruthlessness

[Drake Tungsten]

I responded in kind after Drake got personal.

When did I get personal? You responded to a question of mine and I explored the logical inferences that could be drawn from your response. Nothing personal about it.

[DRoseDARs]

Did anyone watch the footage Kieth Olbermann aired of Scott McClellan "answering" reporters' questions on VP Cheney's asking for this exemption? Weeee! Round-and-round we go, where we stop God only knows! I especially like the black reporter, she was getting piiissed at little Snotty's weaseling.

Reporters growing spines and not taking crap from administration officials right before your very eyes