i cant figure out how to comment on this

[Snotty]

Edited:
Just because people buy new computers doesn't make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will become any less attached to their computers. Our computers are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.

Well, thats not entirely accurate. We cant yet replace bits of our dogs and so prolong their life indefinetly. Also If I could rescue my dogs brain/harddisk (which is all that matters really) then I would do it

Bastions of humanity--not bastions of humanity and animality. Humans first, animals and pets second.

I meant humanity as in humane '' Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion'' and thats something all governments should strive for

[Mrs. Tuberski]

What makes a seeing eye dog less important then a dog that has been with a family for say 6 to 7 years?? The jail thing makes sense to a point. The onlt were it stops making sense is when you have a prison that is under attack from a disaster and can lead to the escape of harden criminals. This is an iffy situation.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by duke o' york
So swarming rodents are kosher?

God, no wonder the accountant at my office has vile-smelling fishballs every lunchtime.

all swarming things are treif. Under a different category.

And you the gefilte fish balls, you really should try.

[Q Classic]

"Let the sinner who doth not repent be he who will spend enternity with Satan" Corinthians

"All my creatures are Gods creatures and let those who will not afford them that right answer to me" Genesis

Now, you decide. What do you think God would want us to do?

So, you're telling me that you'd let those prisoners die in favor of your pets?
"Let he without sin cast the first stone." --Are you so pure and blameless that you aren't bothered that human life might be terminated for no reason at all?

There's also the whole bit about God being the ultimate, and final judge. While the penal system is there to attempt to reform and seperate dangerous elements from general society, that doesn't mean we shouldn't give them each and every opportunity to learn the error of their ways.

Oh, and the whole bit about "loving thy neighbor". Those prisoners are your neighbors. Your neighbors are also your neighbors. Do you think God would be happy that you ignored their plight?

Not to mention that the way people died in NOLA would probably violate the 8th Amendment, rights which are granted to citizens and resident aliens. Animals/pets do NOT fit under either category.

Let people's rights slide, simply because they're the dregs of the society?

A society can easily show what it's made of, what it's worth, by how it treats those who aren't the cream of the crop.

[lord of the mark]

Noah. Case closed.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Snotty
Well, thats not entirely accurate. We cant yet replace bits of our dogs and so prolong their life indefinetly. Also If I could rescue my dogs brain/harddisk (which is all that matters really) then I would do it

You obviously haven't seen some of the new veterinary technologies which allow for dogs to be frozen and rethawed, cloned, and even have hip-replacement surgeries.

I meant humanity as in humane '' Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion'' and thats something all governments should strive for

Kindness, mercy, and compassion, yes--to humans, to their citizens. I'm not against animal rights, but when resources are scarce, it's the government's responsibility to be humane to its citizens, not it's citizens property.

[duke o' york]

Originally posted by reds4ever
DO NOT take the Lords name in vain!

Shearer, no wonder the accountant at my office has vile-smelling fishballs every lunchtime.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
What makes a seeing eye dog less important then a dog that has been with a family for say 6 to 7 years?

I've already mentioned that the one case where I'd make an exception is the seeing-eye dog. They are more important than your regular pet.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


So, you're telling me that you'd let those prisoners die in favor of your pets?
"Let he without sin cast the first stone." --Are you so pure and blameless that you aren't bothered that human life might be terminated for no reason at all?

There's also the whole bit about God being the ultimate, and final judge. While the penal system is there to attempt to reform and seperate dangerous elements from general society, that doesn't mean we shouldn't give them each and every opportunity to learn the error of their ways.

Oh, and the whole bit about "loving thy neighbor". Those prisoners are your neighbors. Your neighbors are also your neighbors. Do you think God would be happy that you ignored their plight?

Not to mention that the way people died in NOLA would probably violate the 8th Amendment, rights which are granted to citizens and resident aliens. Animals/pets do NOT fit under either category.

Let people's rights slide, simply because they're the dregs of the society?

A society can easily show what it's made of, what it's worth, by how it treats those who aren't the cream of the crop.

Nah, I made both the quotes up I just liked the way this thread was winding people up and it seemed too good to miss!!!

Axe murderers, child rapists "poor innocent Naz", Biblical quotations????.....c'mon I'm just having fun!!

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by duke o' york
So swarming rodents are kosher?

So really, all we need to do to feed all those starving kosher-keepers is to put a whole bunch of stew pots under the lemming runs?

[lord of the mark]

Mercy is a most praiseworthy trait. It is one of the Thirteen Attributes ascribed to the Holy One, blessed be He, as it is written, "Merciful and gracious..." (Exodus 34:6). One must also show mercy and compassion toward animals, for it is forbidden to cause animals suffering. Concerning this the Torah states, "[You shall not see your brother's donkey or his sheep collapsing on the road and hide yourself from them;] you shall surely help him lift them up" (Deuteronomy 22:4). Also, one must feed his animal before he feeds himself (Berachos 40a) (Orchos Tzaddikim, Sha'ar HaRachamim).



One who possesses animals or fowl that depend upon him for their sustenance is forbidden to eat anything until he feeds them. As the verse states, "And I will give grass in your fields for your cattle, and you shall eat and be satisfied" (Deuteronomy 11:15). The Torah teaches that the animal's food precedes that of man. But concerning drink, man takes precedence, as it is written, "Drink, and I will give your camels drink, also" (Genesis 24:46); and it is written again, "So shall you give the congregation and the cattle drink" (Numbers 20:8) (Rabbi Shlomo Ganzfried, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 42:1; also note Sefer Chassidim, 531; Mishneh Torah, Avadim 9:8).



It is permissible to exert oneself on the Sabbath in order to feed one's cattle, domestic animals, or birds, since they depend upon their owners for sustenance. Similarly, one may feed one's dog; even an ownerless dog may be given a modest meal. However, it is forbidden to give food or drink to bees or doves or pigeons, nor may one cast food before them, since they are not dependent upon their owners but eat in the fields. [Therefore, this would be a needless compromise of the sanctity of the Sabbath.] Some people have the custom to feed wheat to the birds on the Sabbath during which the Song of the Sea is recited in the synagogue, but this is improper[1] (Rabbi Avraham Chaim Na'ah, Kitzos HaShulchan IV, 130:1).



It is permissible to let one's animal graze in the field on the Sabbath, as the verse states, "That your ox and your donkey may rest..." (Exodus 23:12), for this is its manner of resting (ibid. IV:15).

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by reds4ever
Nah, I made both the quotes up I just liked the way this thread was winding people up and it seemed too good to miss!!!

Axe murderers, child rapists "poor innocent Naz", Biblical quotations????.....c'mon I'm just having fun!!

Of course. My point remains: humans before animals.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


Of course. My point remains: humans before animals.

So I didn't have you going there for a while?????Yeah, right

[Q Classic]

...However, it is forbidden to give food or drink to bees or doves or pigeons, nor may one cast food before them, since they are not dependent upon their owners but eat in the fields. [Therefore, this would be a needless compromise of the sanctity of the Sabbath.] Some people have the custom to feed wheat to the birds on the Sabbath during which the Song of the Sea is recited in the synagogue, but this is improper[1] (Rabbi Avraham Chaim Na'ah, Kitzos HaShulchan IV, 130:1).

So, it's wrong to feed pigeons in the park on the Sabbath?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by reds4ever
So I didn't have you going there for a while?????Yeah, right

You didn't. Other people in the thread, yes. I'm more amused by the fact that you can get the Good Book to support both sides of the argument.