i cant figure out how to comment on this

[reds4ever]

Dogs are innocent by default, God created Man with Sin and so those who sinned should be rescued *AFTER* Gods blameless creatures!

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
No, actually.

Well, we just have to shop around to find the right "Reformed" rabbi...

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by reds4ever
Dogs are innocent by default, God created Man with Sin and so those who sinned should be rescued *AFTER* Gods blameless creatures!

I had no idea you believed in the Good Book.

I was always taught that human life and the human soul was precious, which explains why we ought to rescue them *FIRST*.

And sorry, if you respire and consume oxygen, you're guilty.

[Snotty]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


We'll have to disagree here:
You can buy pets at a shelter for less than $500.
You cannot buy children.

When you can put a pricetag on a life, then it becomes chattel, replaceable, and property.

Furthermore, animals are, at least in my experience, replaceable. Many young children, when their beloved dog dies, are just as satisfied with a new one. Many adults, when their family cat passes on, will miss the cat, but they may eventually get a new one.

I've never seen anyone who hasn't, in one form another, replaced a pet they've lost.

On the other hand, I've never seen a family replace a child.

It does please me that google returns no relevent hits on 'buy children online' nor does ebay offer to sell me any, although I am sure places out there where you can do just that. You can, however, get children for free from the adoption agencies and such.

I primarily meant pets and kids are similarly irreplacable on the level of both being individuals.

Just because people buy new pets doesnt make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will be become any less attached to their pets. Our pets are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.

And in case any parents are silently fuming at me for not knowing what its like to have a kid, youre right, I dont truly know. I love my dogs dearly but I can be sure it would be always be kids first.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


No, actually.

Damn what part of Leviticus did I screw up on?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Q Cubed


Well, we just have to shop around to find the right "Reformed" rabbi...

Reform, not reformed. and sure theyll tell you to keep kashrut in the way "thats meaninful to you"

And in any case, lots of otherwise kosher Jews have been known to make exceptions for Chinese restaurants, to the point that it was the sbject of a joke in "portnoys complaint"

[Snotty]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

And again, that's a risk and a choice you could make. I don't see why it's not a decision you shouldn't have to make, either.

Because our democracys should be bastions of humanity, not penny pinchers. If we can organize the policy for future disasters, then their should be no choice to make. But maybe I am over estimating the efficacy of the most poweful governments in the world.

There are people who feel just as attached to their machines, their cars, their homes, more so than their pets. They too have to make the choice on whether to remain with their property, or to evacuate, saving their lives--how is this any different?

This wonderful brain thing that we dont truly understand isnt reconstructable in any form we would accept to be even close to the original

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Damn what part of Leviticus did I screw up on?

from Jewfaq.org

"Of the "beasts of the earth" (which basically refers to land mammals with the exception of swarming rodents), you may eat any animal that has cloven hooves and chews its cud. Lev. 11:3; Deut. 14:6. Any land mammal that does not have both of these qualities is forbidden. The Torah specifies that the camel, the rock badger, the hare and the pig are not kosher because each lacks one of these two qualifications. Sheep, cattle, goats and deer are kosher. "

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Snotty
It does please me that google returns no relevent hits on 'buy children online' nor does ebay offer to sell me any, although I am sure places out there where you can do just that. You can, however, get children for free from the adoption agencies and such.

Like I said earlier, human children are both priceless and worthless.

I primarily meant pets and kids are similarly irreplacable on the level of both being individuals.

And here's where I disagree. I've never felt an attachment to a non-human on that level; I adore cats and kittens, and would have one myself if the apartment would allow it, and was even raised with dogs--and yet, I've never connected to them. They were replaceable.

Just because people buy new pets doesnt make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will be become any less attached to their pets. Our pets are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.

Edited:
Just because people buy new computers doesn't make them a disposable commodity, nor does it mean people will become any less attached to their computers. Our computers are doomed to die in our lifetimes, but we still need to take pains to ensure they do not meet an untimely end.

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Snotty
Because our democracys should be bastions of humanity, not penny pinchers. If we can organize the policy for future disasters, then their should be no choice to make. But maybe I am over estimating the efficacy of the most poweful governments in the world.

Bastions of humanity--not bastions of humanity and animality. Humans first, animals and pets second.

This wonderful brain thing that we dont truly understand isnt reconstructable in any form we would accept to be even close to the original

It's not like most people understand how the innards of their technology works--it may well be the same mystery to them. Even if they do, what if they've painstakingly reconstructed them, built them, worked like an artisan on their projects? Works of art, those things could be, and you would seek to cheapen their attachment?

[Wezil]

It comes down to human life vs property. I know where my priorities are.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

I had no idea you believed in the Good Book.

I was always taught that human life and the human soul was precious, which explains why we ought to rescue them *FIRST*.

And sorry, if you respire and consume oxygen, you're guilty.

"Let the sinner who doth not repent be he who will spend enternity with Satan" Corinthians

"All my creatures are Gods creatures and let those who will not afford them that right answer to me" Genesis

Now, you decide. What do you think God would want us to do?

[duke o' york]

So swarming rodents are kosher?

God, no wonder the accountant at my office has vile-smelling fishballs every lunchtime.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by duke o' york

God, no wonder the accountant at my office has vile-smelling fishballs every lunchtime.

DO NOT take the Lords name in vain!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Damn what part of Leviticus did I screw up on?

Among mammals, you may eat [any one] that has true hooves that are cloven and that brings up its cud.
Kol mafreset parsah veshosa'at shesa prasot ma'alat gera babehemah otah tochelu.

However, among the cud-chewing, hoofed animals, these are the ones that you may not eat:
The camel shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud, since it does not have a true hoof.
Ach et-zeh lo tochlu mima'aley hagerah umimafrisey haparsah et-hagamal ki-ma'aleh gera hu ufarsah eynenu mafris tame hu lachem.

11:5 The hyrax shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud, since it does not have a true hoof.
Ve'et-hashafan ki-ma'aleh gerah hu ufarsah lo yafris tame hu lachem.
The hare shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud, since it does not have a true hoof.
Ve'et-ha'arnevet ki-ma'alat gerah hi ufarsah lo hifrisah tme'ah hi lachem.
11:7 The pig shall be unclean to you although it has a true hoof which is cloven, since it does not chew its cud.
Ve'et-hachazir ki-mafris parsah hu veshosa shesa parsah vehu gerah lo-yigar tame hu lachem.