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  • We aren't benevolent.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • Your self-loathing is noted.
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      • If by "work" you mean that there will eventually be one or more stable governments ruling what is now Iraq, then you're surely right. Stable governments are no big deal; Saudi Arabia, Iran, and North Korea all have them.
        Stability at the point of a gun is not what I have in mind.

        But the question is, will these governments be friends of the US, or enemies? Will they be buffers against Islamicist terrorism, or sources of it? Will the world be a safer place because they exist, or an even more dangerous one than it was when Saddam was around?
        Dont know much about Muslims but I do know people from that part of the world and they aren't ingrates. You help them and they will need a helluva good reason to not support you in the future - its an honor thing. Bush the Elder stabbed them in the back in the name of stability, Bush the Younger liberated them.

        And the biggie: did young men and women fight and die advancing US interests, or inadvertently setting them back? It seems very plausible right now, unfortunately, that the latter option is the likelier one in each of those questions.
        Time will tell, the way this war was bungled I have little faith in Bush. But now its in the hands of the Iraqis and I do have faith in them.

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        • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          We aren't benevolent.
          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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          • Colour me shocked.
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            • Give us all your wood!
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                Also, according to Hersh, the insurgents are saving themselves for a nationwide "Tet" offensive.
                One can hope it has the same results for them as it did for the Vietcong.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                • You mean a Pyrric victory for the US?
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    You mean a Pyrric victory for the US?
                    A complete military victory for the US and the destruction of the insurgency. The samething that happened with the Vietcong.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                    • Originally posted by Ted Striker
                      Give us all your wood!
                      I'd give you only enough to give yourself slivers where the sun don't shine, if I had my way.
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                      • The war matters, not the battles...

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                        • Sweet!

                          I look forward to losing and being overrun.

                          As much as you wish you could go back in time, you can't.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • Yes, Ted. The US military got their butts kicked in Tet. Go back to sleep now.
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                            • I know the exact facts about Tet, so sorry to spoil you and Dinodoc's "I think I know something that someone else doesn't even though it's really common knowledge" game.

                              The POINT is eventually the whole war was lost, and the US did retreat and was overrun.


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                              • No, thank you. You never fail to demonstrate why that war was lost. Oh, and it had very little to do with your military.

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