Insurgents in control

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Iran?

Last I checked, Iranian regulars weren't invading Iraq.

[MOBIUS]

Not yet anyway...

[Patroklos]

There's absolutely no basis on which to say that it will go like Tet.

Then it isn't like Tet.

Unless you think it is a valid comparison to match it up with paying your taxes, which is also nationwide.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Last I checked, Iranian regulars weren't invading Iraq.

no reason to...

according to newsweek and the us news and world report... after the initial stages of the war, 30,000 iranian agents poured into iraq...

as bill maher so eloquently put it, "they had a post-war plan, we didn't"

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
And if it goes like Tet did, the US will come out on top.

Wait, who ended up in control of Vietnam at the end?

Tactical victories can still be grand strategic defeats. A Tet style attack, while utterly implausible given the dmeographic realities of Iraq, would be a HUGE political hit for the administration.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sikander


The U.S. withdrew and was never overrun. The war was lost 3 years after the last U.S. ground forces left the country.

Oh, and this thread has been Stricken!

US abandoned the place, NVA troops entered those areas that were abandoned, thus being OVERRUN. 3 years later, big deal.

Okay so they were overwalked. They were overstrolled. They were overmeandered.

thanks.

[Sava]

I bet Sikander cried when Rambo said, "Can we win this time?"

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


The concept of 'Creative Destruction' might thrill the Cabal's chicken-hawk attendees of 'Black Coffee Briefings' but it was never properly defined or thought through, and it was never going to work.

The problem is that democracy works best, if at all, when home-grown. Attempts to impose it through the barrel of a gun upon a people with no historical development of democratic forces and principles can only end in tears.

Even if, somewhere down the road, Iraq 'stabilises' in some way, there's no guarantee that what ends up will be any better than what was before. The grotesque nature of the so-called 'resistance' may not be to the invaders design, but the occupying powers can't pretend that these forces are nothing to do with their actions.

I kind-of sympathise with people who are putting a brave face on the Iraq situation, even if I disagree with them on the whole principle of interventionism. I'd just stress my point that we cannot fix the world through projection of military power.

Thats not 'self-loathing' by the way. Opposition to misguided foreign adventures is very different to rolling over to the ideology of bearded fascists when they attack your own country.

Thanks

VERY GOOD POST



Democracy at the point of a gun is NOT democracy.

I think Iraq eventually will stabalize but things like Salvadorian government death squads are going to be created in the process in order to deal with the insurgents. The insurgency will die out only because the government gets really mean and nasty.

So what we are going to have is not the Germany/Japan utopian outcome these foolish neocons envisioned.

I can't really come up with a parallel situation because there really isn't a model out today that resembles it. Sort of a meaner Pakistan with the radical element squashed by fear.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sava
I bet Sikander cried when Rambo said, "Can we win this time?"

That was Rambo 2 huh?

[Ted Striker]

By the way this whole Tet comparison is silly.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ted Striker



That was Rambo 2 huh?

I dunno... after the first one, they were all pretty much the same

[Berzerker]

as bill maher so eloquently put it, "they had a post-war plan, we didn't"

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
By the way this whole Tet comparison is silly.

You certainly picked up on it pretty quick.

[Ted Striker]

An astute observation.

Thanks

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I think Iraq eventually will stabalize but things like Salvadorian government death squads are going to be created in the process in order to deal with the insurgents. The insurgency will die out only because the government gets really mean and nasty.

I read somewhere that the guy responsible for setting up the death squads in El Salvador is already in Iraq - perhaps that US journo Steve Vincent was getting too close to the truth when he was bumped off in Basra...