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And according to defense experts on TV it was unlikely that these officers were police, more like to be special forces of some sorts (SAS, SBS or something along those lines).
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Fatal shooting 'directly linked' to bomb probes: police
Last Updated Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:30:01 EDT
CBC News
London police say a man they shot to death in front of horrified subway riders Friday was "directly linked" to their investigation of recent bombings aimed at the city's transit system.
* INDEPTH: Londing bombing investigation
Police officers stand guard as a police cameraman enters Stockwell Underground station in south London, Friday July 22. (AP photo)
The man, who was wearing a thick coat despite the fact that it was a about 21C in the British capital, ran from plainclothes police who challenged him at a subway station one day after four failed bombings.
* FROM JULY 21, 2005: New attacks on London transit system
"The man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions," said Scotland Yard head Ian Blair. "I'm not going to go any further."
The shooting happened shortly after 10 a.m. local time at the Stockwell station, which is close to the Oval station, one of the four sites of Thursday's attempted bombings. The Northern and Victoria subway lines, which run through Stockwell station, were shut down in the wake of the shooting.
Police said the man was pronounced dead at the scene.
"He half-tripped and was half-pushed to the floor," passenger Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corporation. "I didn't see him carrying anything."
Whitby said he saw a police officer fire five shots into the man, whom he described as South Asian and wearing a thick coat.
Eyewitnesses say the man ran into the subway station, vaulted over a barrier, ran down some stairs and tripped. Plainclothes officers then reportedly shot him in the head.
On Thursday, four people tried to set off explosive devices on three subways and one bus. The lunchtime attack caused no injuries, except for one person who was hospitalized for an asthma attack.
The July 7 bombings killed 56 people and injured more than 700.
No community a target, say police
London subway commuters read the morning headlines on Friday. (AP Photo)
While most police in Britain do not carry guns, officers with special licences can do so.
The standard policy saying officers should not use a gun except as a last resort was changed after the July 7 bombings, giving police the authority to shoot suspected suicide bombers first and ask questions later.
Shortly after Friday's subway shooting, the Muslim Council of Britain issued a news release asking why police had targeted a man of South Asian origin.
Blair said the investigation is not targeted against any section of any community in the United Kingdom, though three of the four suspects identified by police in connection with the July 7 bombings were British-born Muslims of Pakistani origin. (The fourth suspect was a Jamaican-born British citizen.)
The police commissioner appealed for calm from all of the nation's ethnic communities as the investigation continues."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Maybe Judge Dredd was there, after all.Originally posted by lightblue
And according to defense experts on TV it was unlikely that these officers were police, more like to be special forces of some sortsRethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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And general ludd, I'm certain that you would object to police shooting a guy who pulls a toy gun on them (which they think is a real gun), as well.
if you threaten a police officer and disobey orders, you take your life into your own hands, regardless of whether you're guilty of something or not. The whole idea behind police is to 'serve and protect.' They can only help people if people pay attention to their commands.
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When someone has been restrained there is no reason to shoot him (except in an unusual circumstance like this) and doing so is taking on the role of an executioner, not a police officer.Originally posted by DarkCloud
And general ludd, I'm certain that you would object to police shooting a guy who pulls a toy gun on them (which they think is a real gun), as well. if you threaten a police officer and disobey orders, you take your life into your own hands, regardless of whether you're guilty of something or not. The whole idea behind police is to 'serve and protect.' They can only help people if people pay attention to their commands.
If you think police should be able to shoot anyone who doesn't immediately obey their commands, well...Last edited by General Ludd; July 22, 2005, 13:13.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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Well, of course I agree with you, and am glad that you seem to agree with me... and I agree that the circumstances were suspicious- but if the guy was indeed wearing a bomb belt, then the police could very well be justified in doing what they did.-->Visit CGN!
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He doesn't even have to actually be wearing the bomb belt, all he had to do was give them enough of a reason to believe he did have explosives on him. Which he certainly did.Originally posted by DarkCloud
Well, of course I agree with you, and am glad that you seem to agree with me... and I agree that the circumstances were suspicious- but if the guy was indeed wearing a bomb belt, then the police could very well be justified in doing what they did."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Tell that to the blacks in Toronto and the natives in Saskatoon.Originally posted by Asher
I think in the UK and in Canada there's not really an issue with race and police...Golfing since 67Comment
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Hmm. My black coworker doesn't have any problems (though he's only been here 6 months, he's from CalgaryOriginally posted by Tingkai
Tell that to the blacks in Toronto and the natives in Saskatoon.
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"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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In most situations I would be inclined to agree, but...Originally posted by General Ludd
Within this context, an abuse of power seems like the most likely conclusion.
This was London after two separate bomb attacks on a subway. A man wearing a heavy coat in the middle of summer, running from the cops into a subway...
Maybe the cops overreacted. Maybe the guy was not a threat, but it's understandable why the cops fired and hard to blame them.
This isn't a case of one guy who might have a gun, who might shoot. This is a case where I guy could blow up a train.Golfing since 67Comment
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Originally posted by Tingkai
In most situations I would be inclined to agree, but...
This was London after two separate bomb attacks on a subway. A man wearing a heavy coat in the middle of summer, running from the cops into a subway...
Maybe the cops overreacted. Maybe the guy was not a threat, but it's understandable why the cops fired and hard to blame them.
Yes, but that is all outside of the context I was speaking about.
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If you're black and driving an expensive car in Toronto, expect to be pulled over for a routine check.Originally posted by Asher
Hmm. My black coworker doesn't have any problems (though he's only been here 6 months, he's from Calgary )
The Toronto Star did a study of police and found that blacks were more likely to be thrown in jail for minor drug possessions while whites were more likely to begin a ticket and told to appear in court.
The cops *****ed and whined, but were never able to provide any evidence that the Star's statistics were wrong.
Meanwhile, in Saskatoon, there have been cases where the cops pick up drunk Indians and dumped them on the edges of town in the middle of winter in the middle of the night.Golfing since 67Comment
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Sorry, I thought you were talking about what happened in London today.Originally posted by General Ludd
Yes, but that is all outside of the context I was speaking about.
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Or the hispanics in DC, who've complained about racism from BLACK police (though the DC police have done a lot to increase cultural sensitivity since then)Originally posted by Tingkai
Tell that to the blacks in Toronto and the natives in Saskatoon."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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This just shows you haven't been reading what I wrote. Neither Chicago nor rural Illinois are in Florida. I haven't even talked about Jacksonville, nor my experiences in suburban Illinois.Originally posted by Asher
It's interesting that you're taking your experiences in Florida or wherever and assuming they apply everywhere, and even that they're widespread.
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