Smoke in 3 UK underground stations...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Bad commie.

I agree to that part:

Something tells me you'd throw a big fit if, say, Ned was generalizing black people -- yet here you are generalizing cops.

And it is also true that Ludd is antisocial.

[Asher]

Let me tell you about my experiences with the cops:

I got pulled over for going 40 km/h in a 30 km/h zone many years ago. The cop was polite, procedural, and told me to have a nice day at the end.

I was at a very noisy house party during high school grad. Cops responded to a nice complaint, drove me and several other under-age kids home (there was obviously drinking going on). No fines, no warnings, just a nice trip home for free.

I got pulled over for going 120 km/h in an 80 km/h zone over a year ago. The cop was polite, procedural, and told me to have a nice day at the end.

I got pulled over for going 142 km/h in a 100 km/h zone, and the cop was very friendly, polite, and wrote me a ticket of 15 km/h over so I wouldn't lose any points. At the end he tipped his hat to me and told me to have a nice day.

I'm sorry that your rotten attitude has gotten you into trouble, Che, but I'd perhaps look at where the problem really is...

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Asher

Enough information was provided without knowing about the explosive belt.

The problem is you're not very insightful -- you're antisocial (I'm using this as a psychological term, not as an insult) and you jump to conclusions based on that.

let's see... there's a short article that said police where chasing a man, they tackled him, and then shot him.

There was no context given to the chase, and I assumed that it had happened after the bombings and that the man was running from the police... a likely scenario, as the chase usually happens after the crime and not before it. It's a fair assumption, then, that the man did not have any capability of blowing himself up... because it would of already been done.

Within this context, an abuse of power seems like the most likely conclusion. Am I brushing all cops with the same stroke? No, I am judging only the cops in the article, who where reported to have restrained someone and then shot them.

[DarkCloud]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I don't think you understand the motives of terrorist tactics, at least those that aim at foreigners in Iraq (be they western citizens or diplomats from other countries).

The Iraqi terrorists consider that anything which plays in favour of the stabilization of Iraq goes against their interests, as it favours the stabilization of the current government.

The NGO workers, be they American or Greek, contribute to alleviate the problems the terrorists cause. As they kill some NGO workers (and as they give the clear message that your nationality won't protect you), they scare current NGO workers into leaving, and more importantly, they scare potential workers into not coming.

Same with diplomats. Ever since the UN has lost his local director, the UN has stopped to have any significant role in Iraq.

Their eventual objective is to isolate the US, so that only the US remains, and so that the occupation (and the "collaboration" with the current government) will be much weaker. If they keep up with their quagmire long enough, the isolated US could even leave the country to its own devices, to its own civil war.

And this is exactly what these murderers want.

I think this is the best analysis of the situation posted here so far.

[DarkCloud]

There was no context given to the chase, and I assumed that it had happened after the bombings and that the man was running from the police... a likely scenario, as the chase usually happens after the crime and not before it. It's a fair assumption, then, that the man did not have any capability of blowing himself up... because it would of already been done.

I'm making no judgements on this until there's more information, but- remember-
1.) the devices failed to explode in the past, his might have failed.
2.) in the moment the police might have seen the bomb and worried that it might go off.
3.) therefore, they would have been justified in shooting him.

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Winston

A level headed Swede is kind of a scarce ressource these days.

Well... I guess the adjective fits well, if level headed means not having too extreme views and lamely trying to stay friends with everybody...

Carolus

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm sorry that your rotten attitude has gotten you into trouble, Che, but I'd perhaps look at where the problem really is...

See, you keep making assumptions. I've never gotten in trouble with the police. I've had my rights violated, but I was alone, there were twenty of them, and raising a big stink about it at the time seemed like a stupid thing to do, so I just let them search me.

However, I have seen cops fling people down the stairs, cops roll up out of nowhere and search everyone (except me) on the street, cops beating people, cops abusing people, etc. I know or have known several police officers and heard the stories they tell about the evil **** they do (such as an entire police department in Southern Illinois that would committ burgleries). I'm not even talking about the surpremely evil **** some cops do, like committing torture, rape, extrajudicial executions, etc.

Across the street from where I lived, a white woman was murdered by her white husband, who did not flee the seen. My neighbor held the woman in her arms as she died. When the police showed up, she pointed to the murderer, but the police kept trying to get her to say a Black teenager did it, even though she saw the murder right in front of her.

And then there's the Hollywood, FL police department.

[Ming]

And then there are the 76 police officers who have died in the line of duty in the US during 2005 so far...

[chequita guevara]

Pimpin' ain't easy.

[Ninot]

i have a friend going to Cop school.

Awesome nice guy.

I hope he steals me something nice

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Ming
And then there are the 76 police officers who have died in the line of duty in the US during 2005 so far...

Yes, but two wrongs don´t make a right. Criminals shooting people and cops shooting people are two different things. Just because cops risk their lives in the line of duty doesn´t make them any less a part of society than everyone else. I mean it´s not Judge Dredd we´re talking about here...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
Yes, but two wrongs don´t make a right.

I agree... however, it seems that some people like to paint all cops as bad... Like in any profession, there are some bad ones... but there are also a lot of good ones who don't deserve to be painted as bad because of others.

Many give their lives to serve and protect... and let's not tarnish that because of some bad cops. I would bet that many of the people that try to paint all cops as bad would never ever consider putting their lives on the line for somebody else

[lord of the mark]

BBC

Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.

He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.

"Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

"An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'

"People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.

"As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.

"I ran past an armed officer who was standing on the platform and ran up the stairs."

I dunno. Somehow if the police are chasing you, and youre in LONDON, after all thats happened, you head into the tube of all places?? And refuse to stop??? Guy's either a terrorist, or winner of the Darwin award of the month.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
See, you keep making assumptions. I've never gotten in trouble with the police. I've had my rights violated, but I was alone, there were twenty of them, and raising a big stink about it at the time seemed like a stupid thing to do, so I just let them search me.

However, I have seen cops fling people down the stairs, cops roll up out of nowhere and search everyone (except me) on the street, cops beating people, cops abusing people, etc. I know or have known several police officers and heard the stories they tell about the evil **** they do (such as an entire police department in Southern Illinois that would committ burgleries). I'm not even talking about the surpremely evil **** some cops do, like committing torture, rape, extrajudicial executions, etc.

Across the street from where I lived, a white woman was murdered by her white husband, who did not flee the seen. My neighbor held the woman in her arms as she died. When the police showed up, she pointed to the murderer, but the police kept trying to get her to say a Black teenager did it, even though she saw the murder right in front of her.

And then there's the Hollywood, FL police department.

That's interesting alright, but perhaps the problem is Florida and most of the ****hole southern US states and major US cities have a corruption issue.

It's interesting that you're taking your experiences in Florida or wherever and assuming they apply everywhere, and even that they're widespread.

Do you really think most cops are bad people who like to blame black people for everything?

Or is it a bit more likely that our resident commie is being a drama queen?

[lord of the mark]

i have a good friend whos brother is a NYC transit cop. Hes a good guy, from the few times ive met him. I also know personally a cop in Alexandria, VA (thats TWO jewish cops, BTW) My interactions with the police have been overwhelmingly positive, including the time we (QOTM, really) were being harassed by a heavy breathing phone caller, and a Baltimore cop was at our house, and the phone rang, and he offered to answer it. Heavy breathing started, he says "Hi, im Office --- of the Baltimore City Police." Guy hung up, never called again.

Im sure there are bad cops. Just as there are, say, bad muslims.