Smoke in 3 UK underground stations...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Winston
Heh, you have to wonder how long before the radical lefties start staging street protests demanding full human rights for bombers.

We'll do it right after we demand full human rights for you, so don't hold your breathe.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Asher
My whole point was it's telling that someone so antisocial will automatically assume that the police randomly shoot people for fun. Like che does.

How many people in Canada have been shot for pulling out their wallets or cell phones or "attacking police with a butter knife" while they were trapped in a chair unable to move? Gun plants are a well known tactic for when overzealous police accidentally shoot someone. I know it's in your nature, but really, stop trying to be such an ass.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
How many people in Canada have been shot for pulling out their wallets or cell phones or attacking police with a butter knife while they were trapped in a chair unable to move? Gun plants are a well known tactic for when overzealous police accidentally shoot someone. I know it's in your nature, but really, stop trying to be such an ass.

I'm not being an ass, che, you're the one being an ass. The boys in blue put their life on the line so people like you can try to live a peaceful one. Some make mistakes, they're human. Just be glad they have the balls to go out there and do something, rather than ***** about how evil those overzealous cops are while hunched over a keyboard on teh intarweb.

You need to respect by default. Doing otherwise is being an ass.

I respect by default, it's only when people make it clear that they don't deserve my respect (like you have just done), that they don't get it.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Asher

So a natural assumption is the British police just wanted to shoot someone without provocation.

"without provocation"? No, without justification. They would obviously have been provoked, since there where explosions going off, and it's not a stretch to think that a police officer in that situation might think he's judge dred.

[Zoid]

If it´s a trade off between a dead suicide bomber (sic!) and a bunch of dead innocent commuters I´ll take the dead bomber every time. That was not my point. My point was that I don´t want the kind of fascist utopia that Asher and Winston´s craving for...

[Asher]

Originally posted by General Ludd
"without porovication"? No, without justification. They would obviously be provoked, since there where explosions going off. It's not a stretch to think that a police officer in that situation might think he's judge dred.

Where is the lack of justification?

Your city has seen 8 subway bombing attempts in the past week by Islamic extremists.

You see a guy of Islamic origin with an excessively large, bulky jacket probably acting strangely, and you challenge him to open the jacket.

Instead, he bolts for the train.

The justification should be clear -- you usually aim for the torso to disable him, but when you suspect he's wearing explosives, that's probably not the best idea. So you tackle the guy -- but now what? You need to stop him from detonating, taking out half a dozen cops with him, plus passerbys...how do you do that?

[Winston]

You need to work more on your strawmen, loony.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
My point was that I don´t want the kind of fascist utopia that Asher and Winston´s craving for...

Oh, you know me, always craving that fascist utopia.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Asher

I'm not being an ass, che, you're the one being an ass. The boys in blue put their life on the line so people like you can try to live a peaceful one. Some make mistakes, they're human. Just be glad they have the balls to go out there and do something, rather than ***** about how evil those overzealous cops are while hunched over a keyboard on teh intarweb.

You need to respect by default. Doing otherwise is being an ass.

I respect by default, it's only when people make it clear that they don't deserve my respect (like you have just done), that they don't get it.

OMG, I think I´m gonna puke. How can you be so...clueless?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
OMG, I think I´m gonna puke. How can you be so...clueless?

The irony, of course, was you and Ludd making judgements without all of the clues, such as the bomb belt the guy was carrying.

One might say this would've made you clueless.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Winston
You need to work more on your strawmen, loony.

My strawman is big enough, thank you very much!

[Zoid]

OK, I´m gonna drop this before it gets ugly. Unlike Asher I don´t wish for a standing reservation at the Mingapulco Inn...

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Winston

Heh, you have to wonder how long before the radical lefties start staging street protests demanding full human rights for bombers.

Human rights is not a left-right issue... It's a universal right (and I don't care what the Chinese say about it being a "western" device, intended to meddle with their domestic affairs)...

Nor is it something you "earn" or "lose" depending on your actual behaviour (like a grade in school) during your lifetime...

Carolus

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Asher

Where is the lack of justification?

Your city has seen 8 subway bombing attempts in the past week by Islamic extremists.

You see a guy of Islamic origin with an excessively large, bulky jacket probably acting strangely, and you challenge him to open the jacket.

Instead, he bolts for the train.

The justification should be clear -- you usually aim for the torso to disable him, but when you suspect he's wearing explosives, that's probably not the best idea. So you tackle the guy -- but now what? You need to stop him from detonating, taking out half a dozen cops with him, plus passerbys...how do you do that?

You have a hard time with context, don't you?

There wasn't any mention about the possibility of an explosive belt when I read the article

There was very little information in the article when I read it, all that was mentioned was that police where chasing someone, they tackled him, and then shot him. No specifics.

[Winston]

Of course it isn't a left-right issue. The radical lefties just haven't figured it out yet. But what else is new.

My post was meant as a provocation, BTW.