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**Frozzy** · July 22, 2005, 17:42

Here are your Fab 4.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/uk_london_bomb_suspects/html/1.stm

**lightblue** · July 22, 2005, 18:12

The jamaican guy was a convert.

**Kuciwalker** · July 22, 2005, 18:15

Does anyone else doubt that these guys have any connections to terrorists? Given how underwhelming their performances have been, it seems more like they're idiots who were inspired by the earlier bombings.

**BlackCat** · July 22, 2005, 18:25

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Does anyone else doubt that these guys have any connections to terrorists? Given how underwhelming their performances have been, it seems more like they're idiots who were inspired by the earlier bombings.

Nope, don't thik they are copycats. My guess is that their bombmaker either screwed up seriously or didn't want to participate in further killings and willfully disabled the bombs.

**lightblue** · July 22, 2005, 18:49

The rumors are that the explosive used hadn't dried properly and thus didn't explode. So more a case of not following the recipe properly.

**Carolus Rex** · July 22, 2005, 19:30

Recently I watched a news feature concerning Malmö (Sweden's third largest city; it has a lot of immigrants and a lot of immigrant-related criminal problems too)...

Person after person (all non-whites) testified about getting special treatment from the swedish police... Pulled over for no reason, talked harshly to and some physical abuses too... I believe these people, what on earth could they possibly gain by going on national TV and to court (this is not the US, so there's no money in sueing)?

Another frequent "inquiry" that journalists (and law students!) do every once in a while is letting non-white reporters/students try to enter night clubs... It's always "full", but 5 minutes later a couple of white guys enter without a problem... Do I have to spell out that the reporters/students look impeccable and are sober when trying?

When confronted the people refusing to let them in always say that the white guys are VIP or special members of the establishment or that you need a club card to get in (which is bs, since the right to sell alcohol is strictly regulated in Sweden and you can't sell in an establishment that only has private members)...

Does that make every police officer or establishment owner a racist? Of course not... Not any more than the minority of immigrants involved in criminal activities makes every immigrant a criminal...

As I said, there are lots of gang-related problems appearing in Malmö now (not anything near the scale in the US, though)... For example, they harrass visitors and staff in cinemas to the extent that there's been fighting in the theater and films have had to be cancelled... Those few rotten apples don't make the whole barrel bad, though...

But you have to be extremely naïve, Asher, if you for a sec believe that people enjoy the same treatment no matter what the colour of their skin is... Racism is everywhere, in every society...

Carolus

**BlackCat** · July 22, 2005, 19:41

You ask good questions Carlus, but what about the lack of interest in marrying locals ?

**Carolus Rex** · July 22, 2005, 19:45

Originally posted by BlackCat

You ask good questions Carlus, but what about the lack of interest in marrying locals ?

Sorry, I don't understand... What do you mean?

Carolus

**BlackCat** · July 22, 2005, 20:12

Originally posted by Carolus Rex

Sorry, I don't understand... What do you mean?

Carolus

Main parts of immigrants in denmark claims that they will prefer that their children marries someone from their origin.

**Carolus Rex** · July 22, 2005, 20:31

Like I said, racism (and fear of the non-mainstream, whether it's cultural, sexual, religious or otherwise) exists in every society and every culture...

Racism is not only whites discriminating blacks or asians or whoever... It goes in "all directions" and is equally bad no matter who the perpetrator is...

Carolus

**BlackCat** · July 22, 2005, 20:57

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Like I said, racism (and fear of the non-mainstream, whether it's cultural, sexual, religious or otherwise) exists in every society and every culture...

Racism is not only whites discriminating blacks or asians or whoever... It goes in "all directions" and is equally bad no matter who the perpetrator is...

Carolus

I gues that I'm on several ignore list's and by your crazy claims that racism isn't just a whitie problem, I guess that you probably must join me

Ewwew, it really is difficult to to maintain hate towards sweden when your ancestors is secondary swedes :;

**Kuciwalker** · July 22, 2005, 20:57

Originally posted by lightblue
The rumors are that the explosive used hadn't dried properly and thus didn't explode. So more a case of not following the recipe properly.

Which is part of why I think they're a bunch of incompetent idiots rather than actual terrorists.

**Carolus Rex** · July 22, 2005, 21:17

Originally posted by BlackCat

I gues that I'm on several ignore list's and by your crazy claims that racism isn't just a whitie problem, I guess that you probably must join me

Well... I thought that was uncontroversial... I don't follow the OT very regularly... Is there some interesting thread on the subject you can point me to?

Originally posted by BlackCat

Ewwew, it really is difficult to to maintain hate towards sweden when your ancestors is secondary swedes :;

Why do you i) hate Sweden and ii) want to maintain that hate?

I like Denmark! For one thing, during the 1980s you were the sunshine in the Euro (1984) and World Cup (1986) in soccer for many Swedes (we didn't qualify for a single big tournament that decade...

)... Dansk dynamit!

Carolus

**BlackCat** · July 22, 2005, 21:58

Originally posted by Carolus Rex

Well... I thought that was uncontroversial... I don't follow the OT very regularly... Is there some interesting thread on the subject you can point me to?

Nah, i don't think it's controvercial - more likely ignored.

Last most interestigly is

Apolyton Civilization Site

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136580&pagenumber=6

Why do you i) hate Sweden and ii) want to maintain that hate?

I like Denmark! For one thing, during the 1980s you were the sunshine in the Euro (1984) and World Cup (1986) in soccer for many Swedes (we didn't qualify for a single big tournament that decade...

)... Dansk dynamit!

Carolus

first of all, I don't hate swedes - though swedes lack of understanding of danish can piss me off (professionally, I newer had a problem exceptv numbers - why can't you use plain dosees instead of this metric nonsense

Dammit - I use more time on spell checking - enough for this night.

BC

**Winston** · July 22, 2005, 22:47

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Is there some interesting thread [...]

There's also this one, which might be of interest to you, since you mentioned Malmö earlier. It has a link to a somewhat enlightening Weekly Standard article on the state of things in Malmö. Bumped it for you.

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