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  • #211
    Originally posted by Sandman
    Voldemort detests Potter and everything he stands for... Harry's the last person he'd use as a Horcrux.
    It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse.

    In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.
    "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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    • #212
      Even if Harry is a horcrux, I think he'll be able to somehow un-horcrux himself. I just don't see him dying in 7.

      Spoiler:
      And I agree entirely about Ginny - I was thinking as I read it, Dumbledore keeps lecturing you on the power of love, and then you cut yourself off from it?

      I think the surprise at the end of 7 may be Dumbledore's return, for two reasons. First, there's the thing about as long as one person loyal to Dumbledore remains - and Harry is Dumbledore's man through and through, as we are reminded - and the overarching war is supposed to be the magic of love vs the magic of hate/death/whatever. Harry obviously loved Dumbledore strongly. And Dumbledore is associated closely with the pheonix.

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      • #213
        Originally posted by Guynemer
        It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse.

        In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.
        By all accounts, creating a Horcrux is an astonishingly difficult piece of Dark magic... the chances of it being unintentional strike me as being rather remote. I'd expect creating one to resemble a prolonged ritual-style spell, as seen in Voldemort's ressurection in GoF.

        He's also tried to kill Harry on several occasions... why destroy your own Horcrux?

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        • #214
          Originally posted by Guynemer
          The whole "magic of love" thing. Honestly, spare me, but that's what we've been given.
          Indeed. So why would any part of Voldemort's sould be able to survive there.
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          • #215
            I think Rowling has made it clear that D is dead i.e. "no coming back". Of course, he will still be in his portraits.

            EDIT: To hell with the spoilers.
            Last edited by SpencerH; July 19, 2005, 10:27.
            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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            • #216
              Originally posted by Guynemer


              It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse.

              In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.
              I think this is another good point. The connection between V and Harry is unique and perhaps the scar is the indication of his being a horcrux. If Harry is a horcrux, then we can expect to see the transfer of V's soul from Harry to an object and then its destruction (despite Imrans bizarre opinion it is impossible for Harry to be killed- these books are about good triumphing over evil after all).

              Any guesses as to Grawps role in the final battles?
              Last edited by SpencerH; July 19, 2005, 10:32.
              We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
              If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
              Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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              • #217
                The whole "magic of love" thing. Honestly, spare me, but that's what we've been given.
                I agree, that's lame.
                Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                • #218
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Go to Wal-Mart.
                  Waldemart?! On the corner of Nocturne Alley and Desolation Row? I think not!! Only dark wizards and witches shop there!

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                  • #219
                    That may very well be. However the dark wizards and witches have had thier copy since it was released and laugh at you.
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                    • #220
                      In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.


                      Whether or not you believe in Harry as a horcrux (I don't), the question about the scar and the pain it illicits from time to time is an interesting question that has to be answered.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #221
                        Originally posted by Sandman
                        Voldemort detests Potter and everything he stands for... Harry's the last person he'd use as a Horcrux.
                        It makes perfect sense to use THE_CHOSEN_ONE as a Horcrux , bacause Voldemort cannot be killed by THE_CHOSEN_ONE as long as THE_CHOSEN_ONE is alive , but Voldemort can survive even after killing THE_CHOSEN_ONE . It ensures that either both go down , or only Voldemort survives .

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                        • #222
                          Another thing - Dumbledore immobilised Harry to protect him , due to which he died . Does this mean that , like Lily , Dumbledore died to save Harry , thus affording him similar protection for the last and final round of this conflict ?

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                          • #223
                            Originally posted by SpencerH
                            I think Rowling has made it clear that D is dead i.e. "no coming back". Of course, he will still be in his portraits.

                            EDIT: To hell with the spoilers.
                            How has she made it clear that he's dead forever?

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                            • #224
                              @ Kuci

                              By making it clear that Avada Kevadra is a permanent curse - there is no going back , ever .

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                              • #225
                                I believe that's made clear by the fact that you can't bring people back from the dead, period.

                                However, it would fit in rather nicely if it turned out that this awesome love magic (god that sounds retarded) can bring people back from the dead (presumably if they are very loved).

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