Prostitution

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Are they not far less common than female prostitutes?

I don't know, I've never looked for male prostitutes, though I have been mistaken for one, back when I was svelte and cute.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I don't know, I've never looked for male prostitutes, though I have been mistaken for one, back when I was svelte and cute.

And to think, those were also the days when you used to be a Republican, right?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by MrFun
There's just something about prostitution that makes it more inherently sexist and exploitive than other occupations such as house cleaning.

THats what I have been getting at . . WHAT is that "just something about prostitution" ??

Is it morality about sexuality? If a highly sexual woman decided to indiscriminately have sex with anyone she met (no charge), would you see that as "wrong"??

[Flubber]

Originally posted by MrFun
Are they not far less common than female prostitutes?

Very true but I think thats a function of a society where men are more open and aggressive in pursuing their sexual desires. Think about it. If in a bar a man stands up and says "I want to get laid" he probably won't get an overwhelming response. I am betting his chances of a positive response improve if he's in a gay bar . . . If an equally attractive woman did the same thing (in a straight bar), she would have a line of guys approach her.

Put bluntly I can see male prostitution being less for the simple reason that there is usually a surplus of men looking to get laid (either gay or straight). So that to me limits the market for male prostitutes. Its totally a supply and demand market thing. There is a ready supply of randy males so price is low

If a man wants to "get some", he may or may not succeed depending on his pick-up skills and the reality is that every night there are a bunch of men who wanted to get lucky and didn't. With this high demand, a supply has arisen willing to meet the demand at an increased price.

If you really are a capitalist, you must see this

Originally posted by MrFun

I would say that people would be better off wihout prostitutes of either gender.

You are likely quite right. I don't see how it would change my personal lot in life but "society" might be better. Although I am having visions of sexually frustrated men with more money than they would have now and many young women more impoverished than they are now. Would it be that much better? I think things would be much better if the trade could eliminate the pimps and slave traders and the children. If it were just adults and the sexworkers were under no more compulsion to do it than the normal forces that mean you have to get a job to support yourself( and in Canada, welfare rules mean nobody is in the do it or they die situation), it would be much improved. perhaps regulated in licenced centres so no one had to take the risk of getting in a car with a stranger . ..

Although I wonder what will happen in a culture like China if prostitution were eliminated, where the preference for male children has led to a large population imbalance such that a large number of folks simply CANNOT find a conventional mate. The question is whether resorting to a prostitute would be a more healthy expression of their sexuality than years of denial, abstinence and self-gratification. I don't know the answer.

[Kuciwalker]

Even if society would "impove", by your standards, should the government legislate society?

[MrFun]

interesting thoughts, Flubber

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Flubber


THats what I have been getting at . . WHAT is that "just something about prostitution" ??

Is it morality about sexuality? If a highly sexual woman decided to indiscriminately have sex with anyone she met (no charge), would you see that as "wrong"??

prostitutes are not prostitutes because they are all about the sex..

Jon Miller

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Even if society would "impove", by your standards, should the government legislate society?

Government already does legislate society in a number of ways. Now many of them makes it ILLEGAL to offer a service for money if the service happens to be sexual. If the activity were completely legal, why could it not be licenced just the same as a restaurant.

Canada has weird laws since municpalities get involved. In Calgary an escort needs a licence which requires a big fee and a clear criminal record. They then regularly bust the licenced joints and try to charge the owners with procuring prostitutes or "living off the avails"( pimping). So the message is stay underground

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


prostitutes are not prostitutes because they are all about the sex..

Jon Miller

Exactly. My assumption is that prostitues are not at all about the sex and are completley about the money. Its a job and I'm betting some hate every second while others prefer it to other jobs they have held.

But neither is the horsecrap shoveller all about the horsecrap-- yet we see nothing offensive about the shovelling.

That was why I raised the obvious point that it is because sex is involved that we view prostitution differently. Sex feels personal and intimate and not something people share with anyone that wants. Thats why I raised the example of a girl that (for whatever reason) WANTED to freely share her body. If people see that as wrong then it is obvious they will see prostitution as wrong.

[Ned]

Originally posted by MrFun
There's just something about prostitution that makes it more inherently sexist and exploitive than other occupations such as house cleaning.

So, you would approve of prostitution in a communist paradise where the state would keep the profits and the women would work for a modest salary?

Or, would the service be totally "free" like health care?

But, of course, in such a communist paradise, few women would be prostitutes, would they not, as the profession would be no more remunerative than waitressing, for example. So, just how would the state supply the demand?

[Jon Miller]

if you said guy who wanted to freely share his body, people would see nothing wrong with that (but the Moral types..)

and in a lot of groups, there is a lot of girls who do, and want to, freely share their body (well, with whoever is cute..)

inherent in prostitution is having to have sex in ways that you don't want to with people you don't want to

also, a decent ammount of prostitution sex is about dominance

someone whose job is to muck out stables (And has nothing to do but that) is not, generally, doing that because of being dominated by the person who is employing him/her

it is different for prostitution (not all prostitution, but a decent portion of it)

Jon Miller

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Even if society would "impove", by your standards, should the government legislate society?

Legislating to improve society is one of the two core functions of a state.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Oerdin


No, Costa Rica is perfectly safe. San Jose is a big city so you'll want to use common sense just like you would in any other big city plus you'll want to not leave valuables in your car but physical violence isn't a problem. The guide books said to use car parks which have lot attendents to avoid break ins but this was cheap enough (around $1 per day) and it was nice to know someone was watching the car.

The only other way I'd see muggings or being robbed as a risk is if you were intentionally in the wrong part of town late at night. By that I mean the red light district where people buy sex or drugs; the danger would be greatest if someone was drunk or high as this would make you an easy mark for muggers. US common sense and you'll be fine. BTW I've driven in Baja many times and I've never had a problem especially not on highway 1 which is the main highway. The Mexican government knowns lots of tourists use that highway so they have lots of police there to keep things orderly.

I didn't realize you've been down to Baja California. I've always been interested in going down there.

[Dis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I don't know, I've never looked for male prostitutes, though I have been mistaken for one, back when I was svelte and cute.

, Che, the communist male prostitute. You shouldn't have admitted to that.

[Dis]

I think the problem could be easier solved by putting something in the water (or air) to lower men's libido. I wish my libido was lower. I hate thinking about sex all the time. I hate being horny all the time.

If men stopped wasting all these resources pursueing prostitutes, and concentrated their efforts on more noble causes, we'd have a much improved society.